Talk:San Diego Sails

Merge of Sails to Conquistadors

 * Merge. Article exsists here already. The teams are the same team. --Masterpedia 04:45, 22 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Your comment above has errors in spelling, grammar and fact. Read below.

Merge of Sails to Conquistadors is a mistaken proposition
No, they are not the same team. They had different owners. They had different players (a total of 3 of the Sails' 14 players played for the Conquistadors). They had a different team name, they had different colors, they had different uniforms. . . if the Sails and the Conquistadors are the same team, then so are the New York Jets and the New York Giants.

The Sails and the Conquistadors did not have the same players
Out of the 14 players on the Sails' beginning roster, only 3 had previously played for the Conquistadors.

Lee Davis, Caldwell Jones and Bo Lamar were the only players who played for both the Conquistadors and the Sails.

All of the other Sails were not Conquistadors players:


 * #35 Clint Chapman
 * #6 Tom Ingelsby
 * #2 Stew Johnson
 * #43 Kevin Joyce
 * #15 Pat McFarland
 * #53 Mark Olberding
 * #11 Roscoe Poindexter
 * #12 Dave Robisch
 * #9 Rick Schmidt
 * #21 Bobby Warren
 * #22 Joby Wright

The Sails and the Conquistadors did not have the same owners
Dr. Leonard Bloom owned the Conquistadors.

Frank Goldberg owned the Sails.

The Sails and the Conquistadors did not have the same coaches
Bill Musselman was the head coach of the Sails; he had not been a part of the Conquistadors franchise.

The Sails and the Conquistadors did not have the same people in management
Irv Kaze was General Manager of the Sails; he had never been involved with the Conquistadors.

Alex Groza was Director of Player Personnel for the Sails; he did not have this position with the Conquistadors. Stan Albeck was Director of Player Personnel for the Conquistadors.

The Sails and the Conquistadors had entirely different names, uniforms and color schemes
The Sails wore white, blue and green (officially Ocean Cap White, Royal Blue, and Kelly Green).

The Conquistadors wore yellow and red.

Take a look at the uniforms of the two teams. They are as different as the color schemes or the names. Same for the logos.

Conclusion?
Don't compulsively merge the two pages; they should not be merged. They were two different teams.


 * Your argument is both correct and incorrect. I agree with your arguments, however the franchise was sold. The sails were not an expansion franchice. I invite you to look at other examples of what is the correct way of writing articles on the same franchise.   --Masterpedia 18:41, 24 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I really don't think those are apt comparisons. The Gladiators took their entire roster from Pittsburgh to Tampa, along with (I believe) coaches, staff and ownership.  The Destroyers were known by that name in both Buffalo and Columbus, and had the same owners (though not seamlessly before and after the move, less so than the Sails and Conquistadors), players, staff and administration.  By contrast, almost all of that changed, pretty much completely, between the Conquistadors and the Sails.  About the only thing they had in common was playing in San Diego.  Note too that the ABA took over the Conquistadors at the end of their existence, basically winding down the operation and then letting someone else field what was basically an entirely new team in the same city.  (That three former Conquistadors ended up playing later for the Sails is less an indication of connection between the two teams and more the result of what basketball talent was unsigned by NBA and ABA teams and thus available for the Sails to sign; it is actually kind of remarkable that only three former Conquistadors were available for the Sails to sign.)  Calling the San Diego Conquistadors and the San Diego Sails the same team is less like the examples you cite, and more like saying that the Seattle Pilots and Seattle Mariners were the same.

Revive merge discussion
Firstly, the sources back up treating them as the same team: (, ,  Actually read these pages; all of them treat them as the same franchise.

Secondly, any comparisons to teams in cities that had a decade or more gap between teams is not analogous. A proper comparison is to the Washington Bullets, or, even more appropriately, Denver Rockets. Same league in the same city with no period of inactivity. oknazevad (talk) 03:58, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 17:40, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Peter Graham
How was Graham the "proprietor" of a city-owned venue? It was not his "property" (required for proprietorship) even though he was its manager since it is a city-owned venue. This is typical of how this article is substandard. Don't see how the description of the alternate venues actually used by the slang term "bandboxes" is encyclopedic either, unless they are called this in underlying references, and even if so the term should be quotated IMO. 69.96.241.91 (talk) 02:21, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
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