Talk:San Francisco Municipal Transportation Agency

AFDI Ads
The American Freedom Defense Initiative won the right in court to place ads on SFMTA buses that read as follows: In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man. Support Israel Defeat Jihad.

The ad clearly means that Jihadists (not Muslims and not Palestinians) are savages. No rational English speaking person can reach any other conclusion. It is odd that people can see the word "savage," think it says "Muslim," and then accuse the writer of calling Muslims savage.

In response, the SFMTA placed large signs on the buses carrying the AFDI ads which read: SFMTA policy prohibits discrimination based on national origin, religion, and other characteristics and condemns statements that describe any group as "savages."

CLEARLY, the SFMTA, as a matter of POLICY (that's what "SFMTA policy" means), does not consider Jihad to be savage, because that is the plain meaning of the words on the large signs that they have placed on their own busses.

Besides being supported by the plain text of the public sign, the above analysis is supported in the Jewish Press. If a photograph of the sign, and an article from the Jewish Press (a RELIABLE SOURCE that has been around for over 50 years), are not adequate verifiable sources, what is?

WHAT IS?

Any other interpretation of the meaning of the sign is pure speculation because no one else is saying anything different. When SFMTA says it "condemns statements that describe any group as 'savages' " then the only way they could NOT mean Jihadists is if they do not consider statements to be "statements," or Jihadists to be a group.

For that matter, since Nazis, gangs, drug cartels, and the mafia are "groups," then SFMTA, AS A MATTER OF POLICY, condemns statement that would refer to them as savage, and is therefore publicly defending Nazis, gangs, drug cartels, the mafia, and Jihadists from that charge.

This is plain English, not a "ludicrous POV." This is verifiable fact. And Wikipedia is scared of it.

Now you've gone and locked the page. Cowards.

I once said, "Evil so foul, a Wikipedian almost noticed."

I now say "Evil so foul, a Wikipedian joined in."

Shame. But you wouldn't know anything about that.Jwbaumann (talk) 03:06, 6 October 2012 (UTC)


 * If it's so "clear," you should easily be able to find a reliable source, not propaganda material from unreliable activist sources, that has also observed it. The rest of your comment is original research and not worth spending time on. –Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 15:16, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Factsheet data
did you have to remove the factsheet data? Some of it is replaced by prose in your edit, which is fine, but a lot is missing. The table from the factsheet is pretty old by now and I was thinking of checking whether the SFMTA had a new version to update the table from, but then saw that the whole table has been removed. The statistic I particularly wanted to check was the number of buses in the fleet and that is gone from the article now. I see you linked the 2015 factsheet and that was helpful and I found the info in it, but it took some searching, and it's now harder to compare with the older info. So my preference would have been to keep the table. Thanks. 173.228.123.166 (talk) 19:25, 1 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Hello. I agree that some of the information that was removed is of interest to readers, so I've tried to rework the prose to include more of the fact sheet information. I didn't include, for example, all of the fare structure information because it seems redundant with the detailed fare information in the page on Muni, so I put in a wiki link to that section. I also added a link to San Francisco Municipal Railway fleet which I hope will be more useful for detailed fleet information. Anyhow, thanks for the feedback! Takikawa (talk) 21:27, 1 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Belated thanks, it wouldn't have occurred to me to look in an article about a railway fleet to find info about a bus fleet, but there it is. The railway fleet article lede looks pasted from a brochure though? 173.228.123.166 (talk) 18:45, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Tom Maguire is interim not acting Director of Transportation
Please correct Tom Maguire's title from acting to interim Director of Transportation per the SFMTA Organization Chart. Covered in https://www.sfexaminer.com/the-city/sfs-transit-agency-announces-interim-director/ CharlesBelovSFMTA (talk) 02:01, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Reply 22-AUG-2019
Spintendo 18:17, 22 August 2019 (UTC)