Talk:San Gabriel Mountains

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Willmcw - Care to source your last edit? It's described as "The observatory has never ceased being used. Individual telescopes are another matter" but I sure don't see anything sourcing this. Both of the links are dead and neither is about any observatory. You'll also need to identify the statement that it never ceased being used by citing an astronomer or other qualified expert there who holds that position, seeing as the information needs to be reliable and verifiable. Otherwise I suppose, as an editor once said, it should be removed. Patiently awaiting your compliance... Rangerdude 04:00, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * No I don't have a source. It's common knowledge. You could spend time googling, and maybe find the information or not. Or you might consult obscure out-of-print journals. But no, the burden of proof is on me. I suppose the right and just thing for you to do is remove my unsourced information. Thank you for making Wikipedia a better, more reliable reference. -Willmcw 05:29, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Unlike you, I am not in the business of deconstructing articles. I do not mind applying your own selective standards and arguments to your edits that fail to meet the very same demands, many of them absurd ones, that you persistently make of other editors. Therefore I will reiterate once again that you have failed to source your edit to this article and ask you to bring it into compliance with your own standards. Have a nice day! Rangerdude 05:40, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * Nope. I don't have a source. Or rather, I won't get it for you. So go ahead. Do the right thing. Take out the unsourced, unverified, possibly POV material. Be my guest. You are doing Wikipedia a service. Cheers, -Willmcw 08:18, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * As I said previously, I'm not in the business of deconstructing other articles and you are not in the business of abiding by the very same standards you demand of everyone else. If you don't want to source this then don't expect others to respond to your similar requests. Rangerdude 17:28, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Just as with any unsourced edit, it is liable to be removed by other editors who believe it is inaccurate. If I wanted it to stay, then I'd provide a verifiable source. My lack of a source is an indication of my minimal interest. If this was a subject that I cared more about, if this was a fact that I thought was important to the article, then I would certainly provide one or more sources. -Willmcw 20:44, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

San Gabriel Mountains vs. Angeles National Forest
Both articles indicate that one is inside the other, but which way is it? Maps show the San Gabriel Mountains inside of Angeles National Forest. Travisk 20:14, 10 October 2006 (UTC)


 * The vast bulk of the SG Mtns lies within the ANF (the far eastern end is inside the San Bernardino National Forest). The ANF also covers at least one small mountain range, the Sierra Pelona. I'm not sure what could be meant by "This Transverse Range lies in and is surrounded by the Angeles National Forest". It isn't surrounded by the ANF, it is part of the ANF. This should be rewritten for clarity. -Will Beback 23:14, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

National Monument Status!?
Word on the street is that it has been declared a "National Monument", but it is all happening too fast and it looks like this particular Wiki page is not caught up on that fact, yet. Here is one blog with some info: http://geotripper.blogspot.com/2014/10/san-gabriel-mountains-national-monument.html

AND i notice it's mentioned on this brand new Wiki page, too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Gabriel_Mountains_National_Monument

Seems like it should probably be mentioned on the front page of this article, but I normally do not edit front pages, Thank-You!!! Lesbrown99 (talk) 00:58, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
 * The National Monument did not "happen too fast," this was a process that began a long time ago, I was at the National Parks Service meeting where this was discussed back on 14/Sep/2009, and documents about the proposal were filed and available on the Internet at least a year prior to that.
 * Some people were caught unaware because they were not paying attention -- because most of us are not constantly plugged in to what takes place in and around our public lands. But those of us who work, volunteer, or spend a great deal of exercise time in public spaces and are plugged in to Facebook and such were aware of the proposal to attempt to establish a National Recreation Area, expand the Sheep Mountain Wilderness, or classify the area as a National Monument were talking about this openly and in public meetings since before 2009.
 * There is a write-up on one of the meetings, this is one of which I attended At the Crystal Lake page Damotclese (talk) 16:32, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Missing citation
I have a copy of the Environmental Impact Report for the Caltrans evaluation for reconnecting Highway 39 to Angeles Crest which the extant article notes "citation needed." Question: If such a lengthy PDF file which discusses the proposed roadwork and its impact on the flora, fauna, and habitat considered to be a suitable citation, do you think? If so, I can add the citation. Thanks! Damotclese (talk) 16:34, 5 October 2015 (UTC)