Talk:San Miguel Church (Manila)

Requested move 31 March 2016

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The result of the move request was: No consensus to move. &mdash;  Music1201  talk  04:53, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

San Miguel Church (Manila) → San Miguel Church, Manila – WP:COMMADIS WP:PLACEDAB Place names (like churches) should be disambiguated by comma. – Anime (talk) 16:32, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
 * This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 18:32, 31 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Oppose Contesting above move request, as commas only apply to country subdivision placenames and not buildings and structures which are normally disambiguated using parentheses as with other articles on buildings and structures in the Philippines. This needs a full discussion.--RioHondo (talk) 17:00, 31 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Oppose. Buildings and other similar structures are typically disambiguated with parentheses (cf. University Baptist Church (Manila)).  —  AjaxSmack   14:36, 2 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Support. Wikipedia policies are very clear in this guideline, especially if it is read in the proper context. Giving self-made examples to illustrate a point cannot be a basis to defy rules. There are even more churches disambugated by commas than parenthesis, like St Mary's Church, Nantwich, St Mary's Church, Acton, St Bartholomew's Church, Wilmslow, and others. Just type the word "church" and you shall see articles adhering to the rule. --Anime (talk) 14:11, 3 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment. The location enclosed in parentheses means it is not part of the name but merely serves to disambiguate or for precision. This is consistent with the standard set by San Agustin Church (Manila) and San Sebastian Church (Manila). For example, San Agustin Church in Manila is simply called San Agustin Church here just as the famous St. Patrick's Cathedral in Manhattan, NYC is not called St. Patrick's Cathedral, Manhattan nor St. Patrick's Cathedral, New York City but as simply St. Patrick's Cathedral to everyone who knows it. This is unlike placenames or administrative divisions where comma placename is commonplace as they appear in addresses. Check out Notre-Dame Basilica (Montreal), St Francis Catholic Church (Melbourne), St. Timothy Catholic Church (Los Angeles), the disambiguation for the different Scottish Rite Cathedrals, List of buildings named Flatiron Building, List of Woolworth buildings.--RioHondo (talk) 15:11, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Location being disambiguated by commas are also not part of the name as well. Again, giving self-made examples to illustrate a point cannot be a basis to defy rules. Some example you gave are only situated in America, Canada, and Australia and does not represent other parts of the world, where the Philippines belongs to. Freemasons are different from churches. Still, there are more churches being disambiguated by commas than parenthesis and there is already a rule that should be followed. --Anime (talk) 04:30, 4 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment. This tends to vary by country. For Commonwealth countries (except Canada) we do generally use comma disambiguation for buildings (most buildings in Australia actually do use this style). North America, however, uses parenthetical disambiguation. There is no hard and fast rule. We're usually guided by other similar articles referring to the same country. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:04, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Yup, The Philippines traditionally follows North American examples, specifically US example, like with MOS:ENGVAR and our mosplace is also patterned after WP:USPLACE. So this shouldn't be different.--RioHondo (talk) 14:51, 7 April 2016 (UTC)


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