Talk:San Pedro, Los Angeles

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"This anomaly stems from the refusal of the Caucasian Community's ability to accept that Spanish is indeed a majority language used in California." I would expect the correct American English pronunciation to be PED-row, not PEE-droh. I'd like to see a reference for the statement. (There are other examples, too, of Spanish-origin names being pronounced in a way inconsistent with the way they would be pronounced in English, e.g. Refugio, Texas.)--Curtis Clark 16:23, 29 July 2006 (UTC)


 * curious, since the SPANISH are a CAUCASIAN/EUROPEAN people. even MEXICANS (I assume you were trying to blame whitey) who speak Spanish have a lot of Caucasian heritage.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.174.45.156 (talk) 21:08, 1 February 2009 (UTC)


 * yah, a citation would be nice. The fact that non-spanish speaking residents DO say "EE" instead of "AY" or "EH" is a bit of info that might be found in a linguist's research on LA dialects (maybe).  However, the argument that "the caucasian community" pronounces it this way because they "refuse....to accept that Spanish is indeed a majority language" does not necessarily hold water.  It is logically possible to both accept that Spanish is a majority language in California AND to be unable or unused to pronouncing Spanish words or names with a spanish pronunciation or accent.  It also smacks of being un-NPOV, does it not? J Lorraine 06:56, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

The statement in question isn't necessarily true, but much of san pedro's spanish speaking community also calls the city san pEEdro, which has nothing to do with the acceptance or denial of the majority language used in california — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.182.24.76 (talk) 01:36, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

I grew up in LA....the Okies who came west in the 1950's looking for work in the aircraft and housing industries pronounced Buena Park, La Puente, San Pedro, among other Spanish names, all the same way...it wasn't racial, it's just the way they learned to pronounced them...no big deal, and 60 years later, we shouldn't be waisting time debating it, heck, most Mexicans today can't pronounce them correctly either.. DonDeigo 20:23, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

NPOV "pork barrel spending"?
"This tiny strip of track is of no use to anyone(except tourists for photo-op value) and stands as testament to pork spending within municipal bureaucracy."

Does anyone else think this is a negative statement and made from an un-NPOV? J Lorraine 06:30, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

The Demographics section of this article should be revised to represent more of the ethnic backgrounds present in San Pedro. For example, according to http://factfinder.census.gov (2000), 48% of the residents in San Pedro are Hispanic, 7% are African American, and 4% are Asian.

To learn more about San Pedro’s demographics, go to: http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/SAFFFacts?_event=Search&geo_id=&_geoContext=&_street=&_county=90731&_cityTown=90731&_state=04000US06&_zip=90731&_lang=en&_sse=on&pctxt=fph&pgsl=010&show_2003_tab=&redirect=Y

Minutemen (formally Black Flag)
A nitpick, but the Minutemen, perhaps San Pedro's most notable rock band, have this qualifier attached. Black Flag is, as far as I know, a completely separate band. I'm not sure what is meant by "formally Black Flag." They have toured with Black Flag, and, I think, collaborated on some songs with Black Flag, but that's it... Quag7 07:16, 31 October 2006 (UTC)


 * It could be vandalism, or it could just be an editor who thought they remembered some connection between the two groups. If you are certain there is no direct connection, go ahead and edit the article and delete the qualifier. Blank Verse 12:35, 31 October 2006 (UTC)


 * A little sleuthing on the internet shows that they toured together, but that's all.


 * A little sleuthing on the Wikipedia shows that the false factoid was added by as part of a bunch of edits they did on 13 October 2006, which now makes be wonder if any of the other bits of info added them might be dubvious. Blank Verse  13:00, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Sepulveda
Why no mention of Jose Dolores Sepulveda? --evrik (talk) 03:36, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Economy
Deleting irrelevant data.--Atlantisv2 (talk) 22:39, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Currently, the 'Economy' section is a bare one sentence. Surely, there must be more to the economy of San Pedro! -- Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 01:13, 12 December 2014 (UTC) PS: Perhaps we could check with online info at the San Pedro Chamber of Commerce.

The current section on 'Economy' consists of:
 * "Eva Air had its United States headquarters in San Pedro before moving it to Norwalk, California in 1997."
 * Which must mean that San Pedro now has no economy! -- Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 01:16, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Removing this section, which might be true but really has no pertinence to San Pedro today. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 19:56, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Television Show "Torchwood"
Starz productions TV show "Torchwood (Miracle Day series)" depicted the "San Pedro overflow camps," obviously located in San Pedro. Looking at the Locations Guide for Dr. Who productions website, it showed several Los Angeles locations, but none in San Pedro itself. There were no obviously identifiable buildings shown in the teleplay, so I assume the shots depicting the overflow camps were done on the studio lot. But as this location was a prominent part of the show, should it be included in the television show section?

Bare URLs and external links
I've repaired some of the bare URLs but there are a heap more. Also deleted numerous external links as they appeared to be free advertising rather than important to the article. --Soulparadox 22:10, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Notable residents section
I am very close to providing inline citations for this entire section and will have this complete within the next week. I have also been copyediting the section, as it has been required, so please feel free to review my work to ensure that the article's integrity has remained.--Soulparadox (talk) 21:58, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
 * This section has now been reviewed, edited, and cited.--Soulparadox (talk) 10:31, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Much appreciation to Soulparadox for his or her hard work. I have, however, marked the section for attention here because it seems to me that it is overly detailed and that it should merely list the names of the residents, with a short descriptive title, and that all the other information should go in the articles about the persons involved. What do you say? GeorgeLouis (talk) 18:08, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree that the level of detail is too much for an article on the neighborhood, although the work is good. I support spinning off a list of notable residents of San Pedro to a separate article and trimming down the descriptions here to one or two words as is standard in these neighborhood articles or else moving the extra information to the articles on the people, or even doing both.  I think the list as it stands is undue weight for this article.&mdash; alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 19:30, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Which images to use?
I've removed all the images, but editors are welcome to return any of them to the article. See Image_use_policy. Just be selective and put them back only if necessary for the readers' understanding of the article. GeorgeLouis (talk) 17:51, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Notable residents
Somebody has gone to great lengths to flesh out the Notable Residents section of this article, but some other editors have decried its length and breadth (see above). Can we have a general discussion about what should be done with this section? Thank you, GeorgeLouis (talk) 14:40, 17 October 2013 (UTC) Split it off into a separate article? &mdash; rybec   02:31, 19 October 2013 (UTC) --- The article has been split. The new article is at People from San Pedro, Los Angeles. GeorgeLouis (talk) 07:56, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Section way too long - I've just passed my un-involved eye over this, and my first impression is that the section is ridiculously long and needs to be pared down in some manner. I can't find a similar "Notable Residents" section that is of similar length and goes into a similar amount of detail about each resident. NickCT (talk) 13:16, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Do you agree that the details for each character should be found only in the article about that person and that the list here should just give the name and the occupation, with a link to the article? GeorgeLouis (talk) 21:26, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
 * @GeorgeLouis - Yes. Agree. NickCT (talk) 03:21, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Spin out. Looks like a lot of effort went into this.  I suggest a split.  It's too long for the main article. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 23:58, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Tighten -- I am not aware of any other page that has as much details on "Notable residents" as this article (making up almost half the length of the article!). I don't think spinning it would be the best course of action to take. Just retain some of the most notable residents and get rid of the rest. --Sp33dyphil ©hatontributions 09:11, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Possible change of mind. All of these items seem to be sourced, although I have not checked their validity. I'm beginning to lean toward a separate article, a split if you call it that. There is precedent for such a thing. GeorgeLouis (talk) 03:46, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Split into a new article. The thing about condensing is: Which ones do you keep? / Which ones do you dump? It would be better to just create an article. United States Man (talk) 06:17, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

San Pedro Dia de los Muertos and the BID
Regarding this material: Usually we don't put external links in the middle of articles like this; perhaps just a line about the event would be better? Also, if you're associated with the BID you shouldn't be adding links to your organization's web pages without discussing it on the talk page; see WP:COI for details.&mdash; alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 19:01, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

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Neighborhood of the Year
This information was removed with the notation that a search was done and information couldn't be found to verify. However, a simple google search using these terms -- curbed neighborhood of the year san pedro -- produces the information as the very first hit. I am not sure how this was searched for that this information couldn't be found.

Here is the google search -- https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1&ei=amJXW4rzLY2m_Qaa0ZLQDw&q=curbed+neighorhood+of+the+year+san+pedro&oq=curbed+neighorhood+of+the+year+san+pedro&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0i71k1l8.55056.55056.0.55183.1.1.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..1.0.0....0.LWAYqAxZkl4

Here is the top result -

https://la.curbed.com/2018/1/2/16841640/los-angeles-best-neighborhood-2017-san-pedro — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phatblackmama (talk • contribs) 17:43, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Article - how to pronounce?
FYI - this might be a useful reference...

"Why do we pronounce our place names this way?" - Feb 23, 2021 LA Times article


 * https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-02-23/los-angeles-why-do-we-pronounce-place-names-this-way

• Sbmeirow  •  Talk  • 23:55, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

"Little Portugal, Los Angeles" listed at Redirects for discussion
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Discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 May 31 § Little Portugal, Los Angeles
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