Talk:Sandra Stetson Aquatic Center

Requested move 29 June 2019

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The result of the move request was: consensus to move. (non-admin closure) KSFT  (t&#124;c) 08:35, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Lake Beresford International Rowing Center → Sandra Stetson Aquatic Center – The facility name has been recently changed to the Sandra Stetson Aquatic Center in honor of a donor who contributed $6 million for the construction of a new building and associated botanical gardens at the site (https://www.stetson.edu/other/construction/aquatic-center.php). Tagged photos and other digital location tags for this facility currently refer to the facility with the outdated name, and the coordinates in the Wikipedia article seem to be a primary source of this issue. New text on the Wikipedia page now provides more information about the broader uses of the Sandra Stetson Aquatic Center and the page name should be changed to reflect this updated information as well. 68.202.33.249 (talk) 19:30, 29 June 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. —  Newslinger  talk   04:08, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose for now. We wait until it can be shown that the new name is in common use by reliable sources, not just a news article or two. Dicklyon (talk) 05:06, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Support Copied below are many sources that refer to the new name, which is the official name of the building and facility. I also note that the article cited above is a press release from Stetson University, the owner of the facility.
 * Aquatic Center Opens
 * A sneak peek at Stetson’s new aquatic center
 * New Sandra Stetson Aquatic Center Features Contemporary Use of Antique Heart Cypress
 * Stetson unveils aquatic center for rowing teams, environmental labs
 * Stetson University Debuts New Aquatic Center
 * Stetson University Receives $6 Million for Aquatic Center
 * Sandra Stetson Aquatic Center
 * Please change the name as requested to reflect this updated information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:9001:4A09:3C00:30EC:4C9C:7D60:410B (talk) 13:23, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Wanted to add a note that I am the source of the above unsigned edits. I have now created a Wikipedia account to sign my further discussion on this page or elsewhere. The link below notes that I am currently the faculty director and incoming interim executive director of the Institute for Water and Environmental Resilience, which is housed at this facility. I believe that this fulfills the criterion of a reliable source for recommending this change. https://www.stetson.edu/today/2019/06/jason-evans-named-water-institute-interim-executive-director/Jevans.phd (talk) 16:18, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Still oppose in light of all the recent news. Let's wait until the new name shows up in independent sources.  Even the Hatters' own site still uses the old name.  It would be better to fix the article to discuss the improved facility and renaming, instead of just ignoring that heritage.  Looking at sources, it seems to me that you've actually got it quite wrong, and that the 10-acre rowing center is not the same as the new 10,000 square foot building.  I edited the lead accordingly; some more sources should be added, if you're looking a good way to contribute. Dicklyon (talk) 16:42, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

Official support
There is only one Stetson page that uses this old name, as compared to many more newer ones that use the actual name of the full site, which is the Sandra Stetson Aquatic Center in honor of the donor who funded the building and grounds. I stress again that I am the faculty director in charge of academic programming at this facility. In other words, I am a credible source and the current Wikipedia page is outdated, as the many sources I provided above - including several that are outside of the university - also indicate. The new edits added by dicklyon into the intro are incorrect and I request that they be removed. Jevans.phd (talk) 22:28, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

Here is a public grant application, which was funded through Volusia County's ECHO grant program, that describes publicly funded improvements to the full 10 acre grounds. Please note that the the full site is referred to as the Stetson Aquatic Center, not the Lake Beresford International Rowing Center. Once the site was fully dedicated, it was named the Sandra Stetson Aquatic Center. https://www.volusia.org/core/fileparse.php/5951/urlt/16-09-Stetson-University-Aquatic-Access.pdf


 * The grant application seems to support "Stetson Aquatic Center on Lake Beresford". But we don't use official docs, or testimonials of officials, in our article naming; see WP:OFFICIAL.  The articles I read about this are confusing, describing the "Sandra Stetson Aquatic Center" as the 10,000 square foot building.  So I'm not saying you're wrong, or that I'm right, but that we need to work from sources (and no, you don't count as a source, per WP:RS).  I'm going to stand down now, and let other editors decide what to do. Dicklyon (talk) 23:08, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

Please note the quote from this media article (WNDB 93.5), dated February 11, 2019:

"The home of the Hatters shows off a brand new aquatic center that will host classrooms and research space for environmental sciences.

The new facility is known as the Sandra Stetson Aquatic Center, named after the great-granddaughter of John Stetson, and will boast some features not just for Stetson University, but also for the public.

“The aquatic center will house both our rowing team and our Institute for Water and Environmental Resilience,” says Al Allen, Assistant Vice President for Facilities Management at Stetson. “In addition, there is public access for canoes and kayaks.”

The site will also host trails for the public as well as elevated walkways that lead to the water’s edge. That’s where the public will be able to access to Lake Beresford."

https://www.newsdaytonabeach.com/wndb-news/stetson-university-debuts-new-aquatic-center/

This article, I believe, makes it clear that the name Sandra Stetson Aquatic Center refers to the entire 10-acre facility, not just the building. Nowhere in this article, or any of the others I've provided above, is there any reference to the Lake Beresford International Rowing Center. It stands to reason that if the Lake Beresford International Rowing Center was still in common use, then it would be referenced in at least some, if not all, of the latest sources that describe the new facility. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jevans.phd (talk • contribs) 23:45, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

Please note that Stetson University's Rowing Team has removed the page with the facility name of "Lake Beresford International Rowing Center," which was formerly found at this link: https://gohatters.com/facilities/?id=7, but which now redirects to the Stetson University Athletics homepage. An editor had cited this now removed link as a primary rationale for opposing the requested Wikipedia page name change. Removal of the link clearly removes the stated basis for this objection. Stetson Athletics has also now posted an updated page with the new facility name, the Sandra Stetson Aquatic Center: https://gohatters.com/facilities/?id=91. There are no active primary or secondary sources, aside from Wikipedia, that use any name other than the Sandra Stetson Aquatic Center for this facility. The Wikipedia page should therefore be changed as requested.Jevans.phd (talk) 02:03, 3 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Support Please let common sense prevail. MaskedSinger (talk) 14:48, 8 July 2019 (UTC)


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