Talk:Sans (Undertale)

Infobox image
Question: why is the infobox image a 3D render rather than how Sans appears in Undertale? Both are/can be fair-use images. Spinixster  (chat!)  09:41, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * To show how the character appears in color, while the sprites were deemed too low resolution.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 14:38, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I see what you mean, but I'm not sure those reasons necessarily outweigh the value the sprite depiction would/could have. The sprite depiction is way Sans appears for the preponderance of his appearances in media. It's what readers will most likely recognize, if they do recognize Sans. P-Makoto (she/her) (talk) 02:15, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The design her doesn't take away from that, and he's appeared in enough external media it's fair to argue for (case in point, consider someone only knowing him from the Smash Bros. skin)--Kung Fu Man (talk) 03:51, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 March 2024
in the part after it says "the camera zooms on him it never gets old" the article says "Its boss fight" but it should say "His boss fight" or "It's boss fight" 136.36.47.34 (talk) 22:18, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Closed as this was ✅ by User:Ohnoitsjamie. ― novov (t   c)  01:45, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Images used for Undertale character articles
Why use fangamer renders instead of the pixel art sprites which appear in the game? FizzleDrunk (talk) 14:37, 18 March 2024 (UTC)


 * @FizzleDrunk, you should read the discuss section Infobox image so you could learn. NatwonTSG2 (talk) 22:49, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Ah, understood FizzleDrunk (talk) 10:28, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 March 2024
Changing the line "In January 2022, a rendition of Sans' theme, "Megalovania", was played in front of Pope Francis." to "In January 2022, a rendition of Sans' battle theme, "Megalovania", was played in front of Pope Francis." Since it is a point of debate if Megalovania is actually Sans' theme or Chara's theme. To make it more understandable for people wanting to learn about the character and not interested in game theories, that simple change would be factually correct and still easy to understand. Persea gatuna (talk) 21:08, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅, though with slightly altered wording. ― novov (t   c)  05:00, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Planning to GA
Tagging some authors here? GoatLordServant and Skyshifter Hey peeps, so I might be planning to make this article into GA, but I need some help on lead and maybe a bit in appearances section like the quote stuff as a source should be fine? Thank you. Greenish Pickle!  (🔔) 22:22, 21 March 2024 (UTC)


 * I think I'm finished. Feel free to copyedit for something.  Greenish Pickle!   (🔔) 02:24, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

I can't tell what the bit 'When Fox first designed Sans, he did so to make more skeleton puns, but he didn't think it was humorous enough, so he later scrapped it for artist Temmie Chang.' is trying to say. Would you may write it more legibly? I can't make sense of it enough to fix. ~ GoatLordServant(Talk) 12:32, 22 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Its over here . You have to make a word for yourself thou.  Greenish Pickle!   (🔔) 12:33, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
 * That site is blocked on my laptop. ~ GoatLordServant(Talk) 12:44, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
 * It was all written like this on concept art. Toby Fox: Uhh. He looked different, but Sans was just Sans. Originally he was going to tell more skeleton puns, but it wasn't as funny as I thought it would be. Temmie Chang: Temmy figuring out Sans's outfit. He was going to be running poker at the casino at some point. Oh yeah, there isn't acasino... is there?

Anyway. I also added you as a conom for GA nomination. Greenish Pickle!  (🔔) 12:48, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 March 2024
"He is often paired with his brother, also named after a font of the same name" is awkward/redundant phrasing. Please change to "He is often paired with his brother, also named after a font". 12.0.209.58 (talk) 15:43, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅. λ Negative  MP1  16:49, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

What basis, for these propositions?
The article says, "[Sans] has also gained popularity because of his prominence in several user-created mods and other projects, as well as his use as an Internet meme." What is the factual basis for stating this? How was his popularity assessed, and when was it assessed, and by whom? Please provide a link to an explanation of the methodology that was used to differentiate the direction of causality in these two relationships: Thank you for your attention to these matters because some of this article's assertions strike me as being rather slippery. —catsmoke talk 05:38, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * 1) The effect of the character's popularity on the frequency of his being selected as the subject of game mods and memes; and
 * 2) The effect of the frequency of his appearances in secondary media on his popularity.


 * While I wouldn't ask for quite as detailed an analysis—bordering on or becoming a kind of original research—I'll point out that the sentence OP pointed out from the lead seems to invert what the body text of the article says (permanent link): He has also been well-received by Undertale fans, being the subject of many fan works and projects, such as in numerous games, creations, and video game mods. That's to say, according to the body text, Sans's appearance in mods is evidence of his popularity, rather than a cause of it. Hydrangeans (she/her &#124; talk &#124; edits) 05:42, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * You both make a lot of sense! Do you have a suggestion for how to change? Specifically from "what" to "what"? Thanks. I will do my best as I try to finish the copyedit. Yogabear2020 (N.B. NoviceEditor; Talk) 12:13, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I meant that his critics praised the character for his humor, and boss fight, including its musical theme, "Megalovania. (Sans became popular because of his boss fight and its song, which he also became an internet meme for somehow.) So I'm not sure how to make a word about all of that. Also, the "breaking the fourth wall" mention should be removed, as well as the Smash Bros. thing because it looks irrelevant now to mention like that. (Non-native English)  Greenish Pickle!   (🔔) 13:25, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Ok, understood. ✅ See what you think. And I think I have resolved the other similar issue/s later in the article raised by and . (the connection between popularity, meme-hood, song, how it all happened, consistent statements of causality in the article overall, sounding like  OR or not quite NPOV etc.). I hope it's now less "slippery", more consistent, and more neutral; if it is worded better, you can thank, not me.   And, if not ok, I'm sure you all can fix my shoddy work.  —  Yogabear2020 (N.B. NoviceEditor; Talk) 16:01, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * No. I should thank you for your efforts for this article. I'm not quite sure about the lead a little bit, but ill recheck it again once I woke up.  Greenish Pickle!   (🔔) 16:45, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I feel like this lead should be fine now. Thanls to the copyguild editor.  Greenish Pickle!   (🔔) 22:18, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

"the Skeleton" naming
Forgive me if I sound a bit pedantic, but I'm not sure "the Skeleton" is suitable to put as Sans' bolded name in the lead based on one line from the game. It could very easily be considered a description of what type of monster he is rather than his full name, and a good majority of sources call him merely Sans. ― novov (t   c)  05:44, 7 April 2024 (UTC)


 * hmmm. Kinda make sense. Self reverting myself. Thanks for weighing up at the talk page.  Greenish Pickle!   (🔔) 05:48, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Content changes made to 'Sans in Japanese' and 'PSR ideas by Elvery'
As part of a GOCE edit, I amended some content a bit more than slightly to support and help make clear the ideas of previous contributors, using the already cited relevant sources. This applies to two sections:
 * In the section about the Japanese version of Sans (under Concept and design), I added supporting text and changed some paraphrased ideas, using the main cited source for guidance. This was an attempt to make the ideas more clear, readable, and to match the source. I am not an expert in Japanese; but I took ideas from the source and also added some direct quotations for support.
 * In the section about 'PSRs with Sans ' by Gabriel Elvery (under Critical reception), I added material and rephrased some, based on my reading of the cited paper by Elvery. The previous version was concise but a little unclear, and it had some unattributed quotes. Using the cited source, I attempted to flesh out the argument and included direct quotation; in addition, I amended some of the paraphrasing, while attempting to retain points made by previous contributor(s). My changes made the section longer—I hope not too long.
 * In the PSR section, I have corrected for the preferred pronouns 'they/their' of the cited author (Elvery), using the author's last name in place of pronouns, added a citation as reference for both their pronoun usage and academic credentials.

I am not an expert on any of the content topics. If something about my changes could be improved, please do so, or start a discussion in a new thread below to make content suggestions. This thread is just to acknowledge my a bit more than slight content changes, during a GOCE edit focused on readability, MOS style, issues of attribution, etc. Thanks. — Yogabear2020 (N.B. NoviceEditor; Talk) 15:31, 12 April 2024 (UTC) Yogabear2020 (N.B. NoviceEditor; Talk) 15:31, 12 April 2024 (UTC)


 * I trust your edits and I will say that once again, thank you for the efforts.  Greenish Pickle!   (🔔) 22:09, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 May 2024
Change link in "Artist Drak designed a Steam trading card based on Sans that came packaged with a collection of Undertale cards" from Steam, the gaseous form of water, to Steam (service), the video game store. Skyiest (talk) 17:49, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅. λ Negative  MP1  17:52, 19 May 2024 (UTC)