Talk:Santa Catarina

Requested move 12 April 2024

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 15:22, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

– The Brazilian state of Santa Catarina is the primary topic, so Santa Catarina should point there. As it stands, it looks like people just use the current disambiguation page at Santa Catarina to go to Santa Catarina (state). BaduFerreira (talk) 01:36, 12 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Natg 19 (talk) 23:28, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Santa Catarina → Santa Catarina (disambiguation)
 * Santa Catarina (state) → Santa Catarina


 * Oppose I do not see a primary topic at all. The Banner  talk 15:26, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @The Banner If you click the link that I've attached to the words "it looks like" and then look at the Outgoing Page header, you'll see that people are only clicking on Santa Catarina (state). In March of 2024, 100% of outgoing page views from Santa Catarina went to Santa Catarina (state). In February of 2024, ~87% of outgoing page views from Santa Catarina went to Santa Catarina (state). That suggests to me that people are looking for the state of Santa Catarina which is currently located at Santa Catarina (state) when they go to Santa Catarina, so the state is the primary topic. BaduFerreira (talk) 16:13, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, I see loads of advertising but no wp:sigcov. The Banner  talk 22:37, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what WP:SIGCOV has to do with this, but here's another link that shows page views to articles with the words "Santa Catarina" in the title. As you can see, the Brazilian state of Santa Catarina has the most page views with a daily average of 340 which is over 20 times greater the runner up of the Mexican city of Santa Catarina in Nuevo León which has 21 daily views on average. BaduFerreira (talk) 01:23, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Oppose. No primary topic. Cfls (talk) 14:22, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Do WikiNav and the article traffic statistics not show Santa Catarina (state) as the primary topic? Additionally, Santa Catarina (state) has 3,443 wikilinks, Santa Catarina has 247 wikilinks and Santa Catarina, Nuevo León has 113 wikilinks as of right now. BaduFerreira (talk) 04:03, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ortizesp (talk • contribs) 12:49, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose. No primary topic. Pageview statistics are not informative in such cases - a lot of it is just local residents looking up local info. Brazil is a populous country, and Santa Catarina is a populous state, so there will be a lots of local people looking up this page.  But that is not an indicator of general or wider notability beyond that. Walrasiad (talk) 08:48, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose. No primary topic here. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:13, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Support. The data clearly supports this; the vast majority of searchers for "Santa Catarina" are looking for the Brazilian state. Queen of &#x2661;  &#124;  Speak  03:15, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
 * This is another classic case of WikiNav visualizations being too pretty for its own good. The WikiNav page for April tells us there were a total of 197 views of Santa Catarina, and we could then identify 67 outgoing clickstreams towards the proposed primary topic. Any other outgoing traffic either didn't happen or was under the anonymization threshold (<10 per source-destination pair). It's possible some of the outgoing traffic for the state was also anonymized, but it's less likely. So, this means about 34% of viewers that month clicked on the first entry in the first section. That is not an actual indication of primary topic by usage, because what would explain so many readers missing this very simple navigation method? We can go back to the meta:Research:Wikipedia clickstream archives and monthly page views to see if these ratios changed over time: in March there were 77 clicks to the state over 156 views so ~49%; in February 76 over 146 so ~52% and we see Island with 11; in January 71 for state 10 for Island, with 161 incoming, so ~44%. None of these numbers are convincing, because it seems that - if we do the move - we would risk badly navigating half the readers. (Oppose) --Joy (talk) 19:38, 14 May 2024 (UTC)