Talk:Santa Clara University/Archives/2015

Page Creation
I got this page started a few days ago and my how it has grown! Just wanted to note that my contributions are based on firsthand knowledge as both an alum and staff member of the university. Each fact I contributed was confirmed with an official univerisity source. -- Tobycat

Very concise summary of Santa Clara U. Excellent job!

Noted Santa Clarans
Someone has added names of noted athletes and a noted law professor under on the main page of the site. The purpose of creating the secondary site was to streamline the mainpage while still offering a great deal of information about individuals in association with the university. I have included all new information in the second site and will delete the individuals from the main site. I would appreciate it if no further additions were made to the main site. If anyone disagrees with this change please feel free to discuss your reasoning here.

I also intend to recreate the arts section, as it is an important part of the school. I will not do so until I have the time to include enough information to make it worthwhile. Also, to those who delete major components of a page, please note your reasoning when you do so.

Fred Franzia
I had removed Fred Franzia from the list of Noted Santa Clarans before, but it was added back on May 25, 2008. As noted above, the main page should list noted Santa Clarans that are well-recognized, ideally from different areas, i.e. politics, business, literature, etc. In my opinion, that does not apply to Fred Franzia. To me it appears like advertising on behalf of Franzia Wine Company. smielsch

Tech Awards
I'll add the award to the Center for Science, Technology, and Society description and write a bit about it in that page. Thanks for the addition. SCUMATT 06:43, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Charter
There seems to be some question as to the year and date of the charter. I have found different sources that suggest different times. One suggests the 1851 date, and another suggests a date in 1955 or 1956. I wonder if the first is a charter from Rome and a second from the State of California. I'll be looking out for further information. SCUMATT 05:42, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

The civil charter was granted in 1855. Santa Clara does not have an ecclesiastical charter -- nor do the 27 other Jesuit colleges and universities in the U.S. / SCGaucho 25 May 2006

In the quick facts, I changed the founding date from "March 19, 1851" to a simple "1851." Sometime in the first part of 1851, classes began. Later on, the Italian Jesuits arbitrarily set the feast of St. Joseph, March 19, as the date on which they celebrated the foundation. To this day, "Founders' Day" is marked on March 19, even though it is not evident that anything was founded on that day in 1851. / SCGaucho 25 May 2006

Degrees offered
User:Nhgaudreau suggests that the list of degrees offered is incorrect. The Santa Clara University website at has the degree chart as it was before, with a Bachelor of Arts, Bachelor of Science, and Bachelor of Science in Commerce. I am going to revert them back; however, please feel free to comment. SCUMATT 01:16, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Origins
I swapped out most of the ecclesiastical titles entered for Serra, Alemany, Nobili, and Accolti in favor of simpler designations. There may be an argument in favor of respect for religious figures in the past, but accuracy and the simplicity of historical presentation seem more important. To wit:

There's a problem with injecting modern terms such as "Most Rev." into the mid-19th. century. In the usage of the day, it was "Rt. Rev." Similarly, to call Nobili and Accolti "Rev." applies a modern and very American turn of phrase to them. Saying that someone is a Franciscan or Jesuit and then adding the initials OFM or SJ seems redundant. The point has been made. Terms like "Blessed Father," when applied to Junipero Serra, may distort the tenor of an historical statement about Santa Clara.

Overall, my point is that simplicty makes the point more effectively. Scgaucho 23:23, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Santa Clara College: Someone converted all references of "Santa Clara College" to "College of Santa Clara." These have been reverted back since all historic documents use the title "Santa Clara College (SCC)." This includes the institution's legal incoropration as "President-Board of Trustees of Santa Clara College" which is still in use today. SCUMATT (talk) 20:04, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

NOT "The Shaw"
please do not refer to Buck Shaw Stadium as " The Shaw ".

This term was "invented" by a recently former SID who had no previous association with Santa Clara University. For over four decades, since it construction, the stadium has always been refered to in a shorten form as "Buck Shaw"; as in "They're playing tonight at Buck Shaw." Young (last 5 years) students may not realize that.

While Candlestick Park (on Candlestick Point in San Francisco Bay) the former (and original) name of the place where the San Francisco (we don't call it "Frisco" -- that's in Texas) 49'ers call home (and the Giants called home) was (and is by some) refered to as "the Stick" ... BUCK SHAW Stadium is, has, and hopefully will be always refered to by people who care about Santa Clara .. as BUCK SHAW ... an honor to perhaps the greatest coach to ever walk the Mission Campus ... Lawrence T. "Buck" Shaw

Thanks ... AMDG

Bronco66 05:52, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

GA review
I have had to fail the article due to a lack of inline citations. All material that is likely to be challenged needs a source. Epbr123 21:15, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:SCU Seal.jpg
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BetacommandBot (talk) 05:00, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Is Santa Clara Island description necessary?
Why is there more information about Santa Clara Island than the new library and business school (which combined cost nearly $140 million to build)?

Noted Santa Clarans
I've recently expanded this list, and most all of the persons added are also cited on the university's Web pages. But afterward this occured to me: not all of these notables actually graduated from the school; does anyone think this matters? Does one have to be a true alumnus or alumnae? If you hung around the school for a year or so without any particular distinction, is that good enough? Perhaps listing any noted person who spent time at SCU at all is a little like an advertisement, a little self-serving--"hey, look at the cool people who went to our school!" On the other hand, maybe it is perfectly fine. I'd be curious to see others' opinions. Lantana11 (talk) 22:05, 23 June 2008 (UTC)Lantana11Lantana11 (talk) 22:05, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I think it's OK, but it's best to make a distinction. Harvard University's page list non-graduates separately and leads the whole section with "Among the best-known people who have attended Harvard...", which leaves it open to non-graduates. Peasreach77 (talk) 03:00, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
 * And do you know who didn't graduate? I don't see any notes or comments on that in the article itself. Peasreach77 (talk) 03:06, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

A Missing Section
A section on the relationship between religious faiths on campus as well as the institution's relationship with non-Catholics needs to be included in this piece. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.161.133.84 (talk) 13:50, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Ranking Mistaken
The ranking for the U.S. News & World Report is the regional ranking, not national ranking. Should this be denoted in some way? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.163.46.4 (talk) 22:27, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

It should either be denoted in the ranking or changed. The way it is currently listed is clearly misleading. I propose to have it changed if there are no further responses to this thread within the next few days. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.15.62.121 (talk) 07:33, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

While in the body text of tne "Rankings" section it was changed to denote "(west)", the infobox "University rankings (overall)" still has it ranked nationally 2nd by U.S. News & World Report which could be a bit misleading. If there are no objections in the next few days, I propose to have that infobox changed to include "(west)" or remove the U.S. News & World Report entry from the infobox entirely (I would lean to include (west) into the infobox).

Tiredlogic (talk) 07:25, 21 June 2012 (UTC)