Talk:Santa Monica High School

Article improvement
Most high schools have an infobox. Can anyone get an image of the Samo Hi seal or the Viking logo? Picture of campus? What's the enrollment? -Will Beback 09:57, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

I've just added a picture of one part of the campus with my cell phone. I'm going to try to get the logo and the official seal on Tuesday.--Gabizou 18:03, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

I have these images. Do we need permission from the school? I remember seeing them on the page at one point. April

Monica François
Can't find any information about this person at all, unusual for someone supposed to be a Playboy model. Her article is up for AFD, if that passes, then presumably this reference should also go. TheGrappler 06:01, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

yeah, the playboy thing was a joke because everyone loves monica(but who wouldn't). she's is not curently credentialed to be an official playboy model. Seamus MacKool, The Juggernaut 21:32, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Eddie Lopez's death
Fixed present tense to past since the event has passed already. --SkinnerIJA 05:56, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

the AV club and the Film Festival
hi, i am a current student at samo, and i'd like to add an article on the AV club, Running with Speakers. i noticed that other student organizations dont have their own sections, so i can see that it might be unfair to groups like MEChA, BSU, and the Student Body Leadership, but Running with Speakers gets very little credit for what they do. an AV kid might leave school from 6 to 9 on an averege day, working on everything from getting a teacher a light bulb for his or her overhead projector to setting up a profesional sound system for a pep rally. we support every school activity that has to do with either video or sound. the AV club is also linked to the digital video and news video classes. the same teacher that is the advisor for th AV club teachers these classes and we have produced award winning work (i can actually give you a link to some of our work on youtube.com, but i'd have to find it). our film festival brings in student films from all over LA county and is widley respected.

i hope wikipedia finds it apropriate to write a section on Running with Speakers.


 * It'd be fine to have a section on clubs. I'll set up the header for you and you can fill it in. Keep it down to a couple of sentences written in an encyclopedic tone. It'd be swell to get a list of all clubs, if one is available. -Will Beback 01:42, 23 May 2006 (UTC)


 * OK, I got it started based on what you wrote here. Please add or corret as necessary. -Will Beback 01:49, 23 May 2006 (UTC)


 * here is a complete list of all samo clubs

http://www.smmusd.org/samohi/Students/clubs/index.htm

do we want to include all of them?


 * Since there is a comprehensive list, and since the info is likely to change, perhaps it'd be better to simply provide a link to the list. It wouldn't be fair to only list a couple, and it would overwhelm the article if we tried to list them all. -Will Beback 00:31, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

XC ten year league winning streak
Okay, so I ran for Samo XC and graduated in 2002, I'm pretty sure we didn't win league any of the four years I was there which would make it pretty touch by most standards to have a 10 year league winning streak. I've kept in touch a little and I'm a big fan, I also believe we got dropped to a lower league, so it's possible that there is a 6 year streak going, but I don't see how 10 years is possible. I'm going to change it, just wanted a comment here as well so if anybody wonders they'll know why. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.151.59.138 (talk) 00:03, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Importance assessment
I have changed the importance rating from High to Mid, as the Santa Monica article better meets the Mid criteria of "Adds further depth, but not vital to encyclopedia", than the High criteria "Very much needed, even vital". -- Lissoy 20:52, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Unreferenced statements
The article contains many unreferenced statements, some of which contradict information available elsewhere online (such as the history section, which is vastly different from the Samohi Alumni website history pages). I have left the material in place, but added tags marking the need for sources. Other areas needing sources include the competition results for musical groups. I marked quite a few spots, if any of you have any sources to include! Thanks. Harsimrankaur (talk) 09:05, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Santa Monica Band Parents Association
A recent edit added two long paragraphs about the Santa Monica Band Parents Association. I have two concerns about this material. First, it may be excessively long given the overall importance of the issue to the article as a whole. Second, there are no sources. Are any sources available for this material? Was the dispute covered in any of the local newspapers? A minor point: it'd be nice to know the amount of money involved.  Will Beback   talk    19:54, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Notable alumni
This needs to be referenced


 * Art Alexakis, singer/songwriter
 * Tony Alva, professional skateboarder
 * Jay Adams, professional skateboarder
 * Lee Arenberg, actor
 * Sam Anno, NFL Player/ USC coach
 * Pat O'Hara, NFL Player/Los Angeles Avengers coach, actor
 * Devendra Banhart, Musician
 * Barbara Billingsley, actress
 * Mark Bencivengo, artist
 * Dirk Blocker, actor
 * Dean Cain, actor
 * Ry Cooder, guitarist/musician
 * Keith Coogan, actor
 * David Coons computer graphics professional and filmmaker
 * Carson Daly, television host
 * Hutch Dano, actor
 * Ken Darby, musician
 * Robert Downey, Jr., actor
 * Daryl Dragon, musician (Captain & Tennille)
 * Margaret Ehrlich, actress
 * John Ehrlichman, key figure in the Watergate scandal
 * Emilio Estevez, actor
 * Ramon Estevez (Ramon Sheen), actor
 * Renée Estevez, actress
 * Glenn Ford, actor
 * Adam Glasser, adult film director aka Seymore Butts
 * Charles Gordon, NFL player for the Minnesota Vikings
 * Phil Hill, America's first Formula One World Champion
 * Mark Hunter, photographer
 * Ryan Hurst, actor
 * Mel Kaufman, (American Football) NFL Football player
 * Natas Kaupas, professional skateboarder
 * Kibum Kim, member of K-Pop group Super Junior
 * Marta Kristen, actress
 * Tim Leary (baseball), pitcher
 * Jimmy Lennon Jr., ring announcer
 * David Linden, neurobiologist and popular-science writer
 * Sandra Tsing Loh, writer/ artist/ radio
 * Chad Lowe, actor


 * Rob Lowe, actor
 * Jim McLaughlin Volleyball (Coach-USC, Washington State)
 * Byron McLaughlin, MLB Player
 * Glyn Milburn,(American football) NFL football player
 * Damone Johnson, (American football) NFL football player
 * Rick Monday, Major league baseball player/broadcaster
 * Tony Tarasco, Major league baseball player
 * Mike Muir, Singer (Suicidal Tendencies)
 * Gene Nelson, actor/dancer
 * Edwin Outwater, conductor
 * Adam Parfrey, journalist and editor
 * Karyn Parsons, actress
 * Austin Peck, actor
 * Chris Penn, actor
 * Sean Penn, actor
 * David Robertson, music - music director St Louis Symphony
 * Holly Robinson-Peete, actress
 * Yvette Lee Bowser, actress, American television writer and producer
 * Maya Rudolph, actress/comedienne (Saturday Night Live)
 * Gail Russell, actress
 * Meredith Salenger, actress
 * Eric Sato, Olympic Volleyball (Gold/Bronze medal)
 * Liane Sato, Olympic Volleyball (Bronze medal)
 * Charlie Sheen, actor
 * Dennis Smith, NFL Football player
 * Gloria Stuart, actress (Titanic)
 * Amber Tamblyn, actress (Joan of Arcadia)
 * Heather Thomas, actress
 * Tessa Thompson, actress — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.155.236.246 (talk) 04:02, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Dennis Thurman, NFL football, USC coach, NFL assistant coach
 * Ulysses "Junior" Thurman, NFL player
 * Greg Turk, computer graphics professional
 * Robert Wagner, actor
 * Matthew Walker, Actor, Director Troubadour Theater Company*
 * Darren Willis, NFL football player, personal trainer
 * Karan Aneja, Founder SidKar Technologies

WhisperToMe (talk) 01:31, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Shame-tagging
As I noted in my edit summary, it is the norm for lists of this sort not to have refs for every single entry.

Look for example at List of people from California.

And List of California Institute of Technology people.

I went through this list, and deleted some non-appropriate entries. And then deleted the tag. Explaining why.

You then shame-tagged the list. Why? Are you going to shame-tag every single list on Wikipedia? Starting with the 300 lists of people by city in the US?

In addition, as you I am sure are aware, there are no refs in categories. Yet all these same names are set forth in the categories that also represent the same fact -- person of city X. Are you going to now start deleting those category references, because categories do not attract refs? If not, where is the logic?

The same with schools. Such as these 400 lists of people of school x.

As you can see, most don't have refs within the list. How is that helpful?

If you continue to insist on shame-tagging these lists, we should bring other editors into this discussion. Including those who focus on lists. --2604:2000:E016:A700:74E3:5CBF:500C:CF92 (talk) 02:59, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
 * See WP:ALUMNI: "All alumni information must be referenced". Wikipedia is always a work in progress, and the fact that some other article may violate a policy or guideline is not a justification to violate it in this one too. Above, WhisperToMe already pointed out the same problem with this list some years ago. It's time to start reducing it to the referenced entries. Regards, HaeB (talk) 08:57, 13 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Please read the tag. It states: "This section needs additional citations for verification. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed."

But that is wrong. How do we know that? There are a couple of reasons.

We could have a longer discussion about the insidious nature of selective enforcement -- if most such lists do not have refs for each line, and HaeB selectively picks the school he dislikes and seeks to enforce such a rule selectively by deletion, that would be a bad thing. Yick Wo v. Hopkins. That sort of thing. Editors have spoken out against selective enforcement, including some senior ones like User:Thatcher and User:Jehochman and User:Edison and User:Roger Davies.

But we don't even have to go there. Because you aren't just selectively applying a rule. You are selectively quoting the rule.

Leaving out the most important part -- for these purposes. The part that indicates that it is incorrect to assert, as the tag you applied does, that "this section needs additional citations for verification." The truth is, the section itself does not need any such citations for verification. It is sufficient that the bio article pointed to does (as is the case here) have the necessary support for the alumni connection (and notability). As long as the target article has that, everything is fine.

What did you selectively leave out the part of WP:ALUMNI that says: "When alumni have their own articles in mainspace, it is not necessary for their notability to be referenced, as long as it is done in the biographical articles." How could you fail to admit that the rule says that? It is a relevant as can be. And shows the assertion of the tag to be incorrect.

Now, I agree with you that if a name lacks the refs in both this article and in the target article to show that the person attended the school and is notable, their name is subject to deletion. But that's not what you tag says.

But there are names on this list that lack footnotes here. But have them in the target article. Look for example at Robert Downey, Jr.. Or Emilio Estevez. Or Sean Penn. They have footnotes in the target articles, so your tagging this article to say they need footnotes here is incorrect.

Upsetting selective quotation. Just as the selective enforcement is upsetting. 2604:2000:E016:A700:4484:D7B0:8756:2C26 (talk) 07:51, 16 March 2017 (UTC)


 * WP:OTHERSTUFF. Enforcement has to start somewhere, but it has to be sensible enforcement.  This isn't.  I removed the tag because there is no pressing danger that a reader might swallow fake info in this section.  Warnings should be used sparingly when there is a pressing need.  Otherwise people become habituated to seeing warnings everywhere, and start to ignore them. Jehochman Talk 12:16, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Adrian Gibson
Removing the Adrian Gibson tag, Source is not the same person. The one referenced is an Australian politician not a reality tv star. Google search for this fictitious and otherwise un-notable person yields no results. Milotheshort (talk) 19:31, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

First official website
From http://web.archive.org/web/19990129021244/http://www-cgi.cnn.com/US/9512/teen_orchestra/index.html and http://web.archive.org/web/19970714041644/http://www.samohi.org/general/contact.htm, the first official URL was http://coke.physics.ucla.edu/laptag/SMHS.dir/SAMO.html but it seems it was never archived WhisperToMe (talk) 00:20, 9 March 2020 (UTC)