Talk:Santa Rosa, California/Archive 1

Copwatch?
The 'Law enforcement and Crime' section seems like an unnecessary bit of propaganda. It does not relate any useful or relevant information about the city and should be deleted. Attinctus 04:56, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I would just like to say that this article is very biased. I actually do not have time to get rid of all the opinionated sections, but with parts that say "Santa Rosa's Government is corrupt", it needs to be fixed. Thanks.

Several attempts have been made to edit the Law Enforcement and Crime section to include the recent October 22nd, 2007 March and Rally to Stop Police Brutality and the October 27th, 2007 Forum on Police Accountability. These two events are a community response to the deaths of 50 individuals who have died at the hands of Sonoma County Law Enforcement or while in their custody since January, 1995. All of this information is factual, has been well-researched and cited from the local journal of record, the Press Democrat and from Sonoma County Grand Jury Fatal Incident Reports. There has been community concern about the lack of any independent investigation of law enforcement involved fatalities dating back to the early 1990's. All attempts to include the simple facts as reported by local media and government agencies have been continually deleted by user, Anastrophe, even when all opinion has been removed. The well substantiated fact that 50 people have died in law enforcement involved fatalities in twelve years and there is still no independent or transparent review system in place, even though a recommendation was made by the United States Commission on Civil Rights in 2000 to establish Independent review boards, is relevant and useful. Local media finds this information relevant enough to report on several times each month. This information could be considered useful to people who might be making a choice to live in this area. The ommission of this well-documented information seems far more propagandistic, as it gives an incomplete and biased view of Law Enforcement in Santa Rosa. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.202.75.206 (talk) 18:18, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

New updates 2/07
I've started updating the SR page as my time allows. I see that most of the discussion here is pretty old. I just noted below that the main defect of this page is that it has very little content so far. I'm going to try to add some brief, pertinent sections to get the ball rolling.

For the record, I'm semi-retired at 65, and I've lived in Santa Rosa most of my life since 1952. I've been closely studying the economic/political/social scene in SR and Sonoma County since the late '80s, and I'm pretty well informed about local government and politics.

Mukrkrgsj 06:43, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Here are a couple more tidbits that you might want to mention:


 * The "Peanuts on Parade" program, where they display (and eventually auction off) various Peanuts-related statues around town. Unfortunately, this is the last year they're having it, and so it may be of limited value to wikipedia.  This year's theme is "Joe Cool".  You might also want to mention that a few of the previous years' statues are still publicly viewable, being scattered around Santa Rosa (but are subject to be moved, as they are now privately owned).  Reference: http://ci.santa-rosa.ca.us/default.aspx?PageId=1202


 * Free wifi access in limited areas of downtown. I have no idea how well it works (or if it still works).  Reference: http://ci.santa-rosa.ca.us/default.aspx?PageId=2412

Darryl 04:06, 4 March 2007 (UTC)


 * True, the PoP program is a temporary business promotion. I think Schulz would be disturbed to see his children letting SR use his characters in ways he never permitted himself.  Likewise, I doubt the Downtown wifi access is significant enough to mention.  Of course, anyone can add whatever they please to this page at any time. -- Mukrkrgsj 09:54, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm a future resident (all my family moved to SR), and thought I'd add this: According to a calendar I received, SR used to be called Franklin, and it seems confirmed here: http://cotati.sjsu.edu/cockrill/d0000/d0000notes/FranklinHistory.htm. DOR (HK) (talk) 08:59, 1 February 2008 (UTC) DOR (HK) Feb 1, 2008

Birth place of Fictional Philip Marlowe
In a published letter to D. J. Ibberson 19-Apr-1951, Raymond Chandler identifies Santa Rosa ,California, as the birth place (and we assume childhood home) of his famous fictional creation Philip Marlowe. From the letter is appears this may be in homage to the Hitchcock film 'Shadow of a Doubt'.

See Raymond Chandler, 'Novels and Other Writing' (The Library of America, 1995, IBN 1-883011-08-6)

That seems worth including on the Santa Rosa page - but where? Is he a famous resident - albeit fictional?

- Why not? Do it!

He lit a cigarette, poured a shot of whiskey, and did it. Eye.earth (talk) 00:57, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Santa Rosa Press Democrat
Any thought about adding information about the PD? It's a major influence in the northbay, and a major paper in the Bay Area as a whole -Anoymous 21:34, Jul 6, 2005 (UTC)


 * I think the Press Democrat could be a deserving topic, but for a standalone page (or perhaps the county page?). As you note, it's not a topic limited to the town of Santa Rosa. Cate8 July 8, 2005 17:58 (UTC)


 * I just created a Business&Industry/Media subsection, and began an entry re the PD. The PD is a major northern California paper, and I agree it should have its own page as well.  Mukrkrgsj Feb 25, 2007

William Mark Felt
Why so much information about William Mark Felt that has nothing to do with Santa Rosa? This duplicates info better placed elsewhere, and is a distraction in this article. -Willmcw 15:38, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)

Lists of Wineries
Those lists are in terrible style, and should really be moved to something like a List of wineries in Santa Rosa, California. Falcon 04:17, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Separately, the use of Santa Rosa as a filming location is interesting, but that list seems to have many details which are irrelevant to Santa Rosa. Would anyone mind if we cut out the details, like the cast? These films almost all have articles of their own, so most of this info is duplicated elsewhere. Cheers, -Willmcw 05:49, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)

Cleanup
OK, I did a lot of cleanup. Now done. &mdash; Stevey7788 (talk) 02:48, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Running Fence
Why is the "Running Fence" listed on Santa Rosa's page? This seems appropriate for the Sonoma County and Marin County pages. However, did it even enter the Santa Rosa city limits or otherwise have a clear connection to the city? Cate8 19:28, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)

Santa Rosa films vs. Sonoma County films
Why list so many films that have no association with the city of Santa Rosa? Being filmed in Bodega Bay or Cloverdale, etc. makes them perhaps worth mention on the respective cities' pages but not here. Conflating Santa Rosa with the county-at-large is just confusing and distracting.


 * It used to be worse. If you're interested, it would be helpful to move the non-Santa Rosa films to the county article. Cheers, -Willmcw 02:47, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)


 * Good work. The article is much easier to read now, and contains the information that is most relevant to the subject of the article. Cheers, -Willmcw 10:54, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)

Film appearance trivia
"Mr. Fox, a Fairfield, CA high school teacher claimed to have a short scene in the movie" (The Candidate) seems a bit far afield from the main topic. An unsubstantiated claim that a random person might have appeared in an unspecified scene--not obvious how this contributes to the body of human knowledge about Santa Rosa. Perhaps if there were some context added...? Otherwise, the sentence seems a good candidate for deletion. -Cate8 05:19, July 15, 2005 (UTC)


 * I'd assume that many locals have appeared as extras. In any case, this mention seems neither notable nor even verifiable (IMDB doesn't list anyone named "Fox" in the cast list of the movie). Pull it. -Willmcw 05:50, July 15, 2005 (UTC)


 * Pulled. If relevance to the main Santa Rosa is ever established, the line is preserved here and in the page history.  -Cate8 06:48, July 22, 2005 (UTC)

better lead pic?
cant we come up with a better lead picture? cherry street historic neighborhood? vineyard by john ash restaurant? schultz museum? the luther burbank house might do well in a different light or angle, but this doesnt seem lead quality as it is. sincerely Anlace 04:19, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
 * No argument from me&mdash;but, I think a vineyard should lead and it's the wrong time of year (I was waiting until bloom to get that snap). The Schulz Museum is notable, but not a lead either. Any other suggestions? Radio  Kirk   talk to me  04:24, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
 * ok by me to wait for vineyard in leaf for lead...the article could actually use two or three more pics...the river park behind the hyatt hotel (whats it called prince edward greenway?) is not bad, but i shot it at the wrong light. will keep looking ...the stone office bldg in railroad sq is not bad either but im not sure rr sq is worth two pics...thanks for your feedback radiokirk, regards Anlace 05:00, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I honestly don't think the article is ready for any more pics as it is now. Presuming someone takes on the task of working this to WP:FA status (I might, eventually), then, certainly. Also, I thought about the Prince Memorial Greenway while snapping Burbank H&G, but I rejected it as being of insufficient notability (if I were a tourist, that would be way down on my list). Heck, I know where Mark Felt lives, and I wouldn't snap that, either [grin]. Seriously, though, I'd already thought about dumping the LB home (the gardens are the draw, really) in favor of the Schulz Museum as a lead until the cabernet is in bloom (and, Vintners Inn is technically outside Santa Rosa&mdash;then again, the hillside vineyard on Old Red north of Fountain Grove is technically outside city limits, but I think it would take a more dramatic shot). Anyway, I'm rambling&mdash;any more thoughts?
 * Edit: Also, I'm inclined to purge "looking east" again&mdash;is that really relevant? Radio Kirk   talk to me  05:16, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
 * its fine to take out the "looking east". i had misunderstood you (i thought something freaky happened when we were both editing at the same time. now i see you meant to take out the "looking east" bit.) i dont think it hurts to have a shot of a vineyard right over the city limit line. i think im in sync with you on all the other points. ill sneak in a few shots of santa rosa in other articles :) and leave alone adding any more to santa rosa for now, best regards Anlace 06:02, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. BTW, something freaky did happen; I intended to take out "looking north" the first time because it was incorrect. Having a direction in there at all struck me later as extraneous. :) Radio  Kirk   talk to me  16:04, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Okay, snap of CMSM now leads. I took several snaps, choosing the W. Steele Ln. view for two main reasons: one, this is the view tourists and locals usually see first (most people will approach from W. Steele, and not down Hardies Ln.); two, even with the painted Charlie Brown and Snoopy statuettes, the front entrance is surprisingly boring and devoid of color. It might be better in the summer, though... Radio Kirk   talk to me  19:19, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
 * the existing map/template seems a weak lead image. One of the others could be promoted, or also see the images in Santa Rosa Creek. What do others think? regards. Anlace 01:31, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Moving of Pictures?
I don't think that the couple of pictures should of been moved down to the bottom. I realize that they might go better at their new position, but the article now looks distored, so I believe that the pictures should be moved back up to their normal positions. What does everyone else think? Chickyfuzz(user talk) 05:03, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

I moved the pictures to get them out of the way of the current and new text. In my opinion, the shot of the Schulz Museum is too large, and none of the photos are especially pertinent or interesting. But the fundamental problem is a lack of text. The photos won't stick out so much if we create enough text to put them in balance. Mukrkrgsj 06:36, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Assessment
Assessing here for the San Francisco Bay Area project because Sonoma County is considered Bay Area. The article has a lot of good informative stuff but I rated it a "Start", mostly because the organization is a little inconsistent and hard to read. You might want to consider reorganizing the headers some or even splitting off parts into sister articles like "famous people of Santa Rosa." Ideally a good article should be 20-40k in size and posible to read casually in a few minutes. Wikidemo 23:15, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Tupac?
Does anybody have a citation for this? Seems out of place.Gbcue 04:14, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

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How about considering Wiki standards for a City article? Jeez...
Norcalal 05:38, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Jonas Brothers
User:68.193.12.188 has twice added the Jonas Brothers to the list of Notable Residents. I deleted it once as unverified cruft, and User:Anastrophe. deleted it once as non-notable. Given that the band does have their own page, I do think that they're notable--it's just that there's no reason given to believe that they actually do live in Santa Rosa.

User:68.193.12.188, assuming you read this, could you please either stop adding it or find some verification? Dori (talk) 01:02, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Latitude
Seconds can't be more than 60! latitude = 38°26'66" N —Preceding unsigned comment added by Goldmund100 (talk • contribs) 15:43, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Notable people
I just did some general cleanup on this article. While I was at it, I removed Tom Waits and Jade Puget, because their own pages didn't say that they lived in/were from Santa Rosa. I also added a link to Category:People from Santa Rosa, California.

Overall, I think that the descriptions in this section should be shortened, and just give enough info to let readers know if they want to click through to the person's article. Dori (Talk • Contribs) 21:46, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Santa Rosa, California history
I love Wikipedia, have to say that first.

While reading the history of Santa Rosa California I discovered that the prehistory and Native American history is incorrect. This article says that the Cahuilla Indians lived in Santa Rosa when in fact they live in what is today's Riverside and San Bernardino counties.

Santa Rosa had Pomo, Wappo and Miwok peoples.

How does one help with this situation?

Rich Rodgers   inspect@sonic.net  (BernardoOjitos (talk) 17:48, 4 January 2014 (UTC))

ATIV Software -- Notable Local Company?
thanks for your thoughts on ATIV software, and I do see what you mean. But might I respectfully suggest that the "notability" standard for inclusion as an entry in Wikipedia may be different from what's meant by "notable" in this context. The author claims that ATIV software is among a small handful of "notable" local companies. The whole sentence is dubious in some regards, since it's difficult to verify. But if the statement here has any meaning, it's that these local companies are well known, that people "take note" of them. That they are, in short, famous. So, while ATV software has been mentioned over the last 4 years in a number of articles cited on its article page, these are mostly in trade publications (e.g., rfidjournal.com). The general press notices cited, in the NYTimes and the Press Democrat, are what I'd call trend articles that mention the company among others. I'm positive a host of Santa Rosa companies could produce similar clips.

I tried to think of a way to measure noteworthiness in this sense, and came up with the following demonstration. I searched for all three companies on Google and then clicked the News tab. Here are the results:


 * Moonlight Brewing in the news
 * Russian River Brewing Company in the news
 * ATIV Software in the news

It's pretty easy to see the difference. The first two are widely discussed in a host of regional and even national newspapers, general interest magazines and media outlets. The company names are often in the headlines, indicating that the companies are the articles' focus. ATIV, by contrast, is represented chiefly by press releases and the odd trend article. I just don't see that ATIV--while worthy of an article page-- is at the same level, and think this reference, created by someone with no editing history, looks promotional. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmatazzoni (talk • contribs)
 * I appreciate the excellent summary (which finds a mention in  as well); I would also note that a news search for "EventPilot" brings up a few more. At any rate, I'm looking at the issue from this angle: did the sources support the addition to the article? Dubious. Do they support its removal? I'd say no, unless a discussion ended with a consensus to do so. Cheers! &#128406; ATinySliver / ATalkPage 00:38, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Mayor Box at the Very Bottom
I noticed that in the box where all the California city mayors are listed, the Santa Rosa mayor is incorrect. It should be Chris Coursey, but that is no what is there. I someone could edit the template that would be great. AverageAVG (talk) 05:26, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

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