Talk:Sap

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Rewrite was reverted
I did the rewrite, removing much irrelevant information related to latex, resins, and other "non sap" fluids in plants, and correcting the text to accurately reflect botanical definitions of sap. I should have been explicit about this, because the edits were reverted. Just a heads up, I plan to re-edit again. As it stands now, the article is a mess at best, and misleading at worst.Loblolly90 00:27, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

This article needs a rewrite
The true definition of sap in plants is fluid in xylem tracheids or vessels, phloem sieve tube cells, and perhaps in other cells, although the latter is usually referred to as "cell sap". Most of this article focuses on substances that are NOT sap, like latex and resins.

Incidentally basipetal is maturation from top downwards, and acropetal is from root upwards. So I think the contributor has this the wrong way around, anyone care to verify this..? 94.194.90.34 (talk) 00:55, 12 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Does not sap carry eg. hormones as well? What about oxygen or CO2? What about the difference between ascending and descending sap?

Relation to Latex?
I'm still a botany newbie, but is latex the same as sap? See the link put on the Talk:Latex page If someone who knows could clear this up and mention the differences or merge that'll be real good..

Perhaps the botanical stuff can be put here, and the latex article be mainly about the latex material


 * No, sap, latex and resin are all different substances, and shouldn't be together on the same page.

Ambiguity
''Maple tree sap is the basic ingredient in maple syrup. The sap of the rubber tree is used to make latex, which is vulcanized to make rubber. Spruce Gum is another tree sap that was used by Anishinaabe peoples in Canada for small quick repairs to wood articles. The sap was collected and used in its raw form. Chewed, it makes a good emergency deep woods survival food.'' Is that last sentence in reference to spruce gum sap, or to all sap? -Maelin 10:54, 20 December 2005 (UTC) Tree sap can be useful for making gum.

Page title
All plants have sap, not just trees. If there's no objections, I'm moving this page to sap (plant) or plant sap in a day or two. - MPF 21:04, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Editing
Editing —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 122.167.63.245 (talk) 11:45, 20 February 2007 (UTC).

Uses of tree sap
i dont know so can any one help get a use by the 29th i have a science project due. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.218.219.101 (talk) 19:47, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Question
Consider a plant fruit.

Does the fruit receive BOTH types of sap, xylem AND phloem ?

If only phloem, could artificial phloem sap be induced under pressure into a fruit which has been disconnected from its original plant to allow it to continue to grow ?

What kinds of trees produce sap? SVas1971 (talk) 15:57, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Do fruit plants produce sap? SVas1971 (talk) 15:57, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

What can plant sap be used for, anything besides syrup? SVas1971 (talk) 15:58, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Can sap be used to make things, and if so, what? SVas1971 (talk) 15:58, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

If you eat (taste) sap from a tree, without any filtering and such, can you die? SVas1971 (talk) 16:00, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Does unfiltered sap kill? SVas1971 (talk) 16:00, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

This article needs improvement
In the 4th grade I went to my Science/Biology teacher and asked her why trees have sap and what's it for? She proceeded to give me this long story (what teachers do when they don't know the answer to a question but they're too afraid to say "I don't know") about how it's part of the plant's genetic makeup. So today I come to wikipedia of all places to try and find an answer...

Why do plants/trees have sap?

What is its purpose?

How is it produced?

What benefits to the tree/plant are there for having sap?

Perhaps someone with a degree in biology will know Rfwoolf (talk) 03:05, 3 August 2008 (UTC)


 * It serves many of the same functions as blood does for animals: The transportation of nutrients and water. No degree in biology. Sorry. It might be worth mentioning that sap in some trees serves as a defense mechanism as well. ---J.S  (T/C/WRE) 20:28, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Well...I think the real point of the question wasn't so much "I, personally, want to know these answers" as "the article needs to include these answers." I will go ahead and BE BOLD add the function of sap to the article.Cromulant (talk) 23:10, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * No, don't mention that sap serves as a defense mechanism. You're thinking of resins or latex, which are not sap.128.227.13.177 (talk) 02:26, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Whew! Thanks for that; I hope your admonition was in time! Crom, Being bold is fine where needed, but you could save yourself a lot of effort and frustration if you first exhibit your boldness here on the talk page and ask for crits. I promise that you will find a lot of folks (even me!) only too delighted to help with tricky questions and knotty points. JonRichfield (talk) 17:13, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

—as a partial help on this, I have added a well-sourced paragraph on the use of phloem sap by animals, and have included information on the fact that phloem sap does not contain a particular set of defensive characteristics, yet only a small number of animals make direct use of the phloem sap. Hope this is helpful. Cheers. N2e (talk) 17:30, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Wrong translation
Many links on other wiki's are non-correct (usually, more specific categories). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.23.30.243 (talk) 16:43, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Requested move 01 May 2015

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: To be moved. Note: move requires admin assistance, which I will request. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:09, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Plant sap → Sap – It already redirects there and has for a long time. – 216.8.170.184 (talk) 18:10, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
 * This is a contested technical request (permalink). Steel1943  (talk) 18:28, 1 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Support: per WP:COMMONNAME. Ebonelm (talk) 20:58, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and WP:CONCISE Red Slash 17:13, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Support as per not being a sap - oh. GregKaye 02:44, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Support. Sap is the common name. Calidum T&#124;C 13:19, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Suppport, but bare links to Wikipedia jargon (i.e. WP:COMMONNAME, WP:PRIMARY) don't prove the case by themselves. It is not self evident that plant sap is the primary topic. Usage on external sources and in incoming Wikipedia links needs to be looked at. Incoming links (Special:WhatLinksHere/Sap) suggest that plant sap is the primary topic, but links to sap in articles such as Achyutanand Singh and Giroie, Lord of Échauffour are not about plant sap (and can't be linked from any article currently listed at sap (disambiguation). I'm not convinced that plant sap is the primary topic in external sources (based on what I get from a Google search). However, given that sap has redirected to [plant sap for several years, I'll support the move per (Wikipedia jargon) WP:CONCISE. Plantdrew (talk) 06:58, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Support obvious. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:12, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Strong Support No one calls this plant sap, it's just sap. Christopedia (talk) 11:57, 5 May 2015 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

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