Talk:Sapsali

Notability?
This is an interesting one - I can't find any infomation on this breed (on-line or in my books - which sadly don't cover enough of the unusual breeds). Does it have any other names? -- sannse (talk) 09:07, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)


 * I had the same problem; asked User:Quill to please fill in but obviously hasn't been done yet. Elf | Talk 19:21, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * Poor, maligned user:Quill ;). Not ignoring you, guys, been away.
 * I've had to 'save' before I fixed the breed table, couldn't figure it out without messing up the formatting. I'll try again; if I fail I'll leave the info here.  Quill 23:49, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * Sorry guys. Finding tables too frustrating.  Very time-consuming for me, a commodity I don't have alot of today. Gotta run.  Quill 00:26, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)

What's up with the spelling of this article??? It's usually spelled Sapsaree. Can we change the spelling of this article to conform to this?melonbarmonster 20:04, 27 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree. I think the English spelling should be used in the title. CorinneSD (talk) 00:24, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

A lot of time has passed since the original discussions and the breed has become more widely known. I have written an article with numerous reputable news organization citations and removed the notability flag per the Wikipedia guidelines... this dog is highly notable as a Korean native breed with protected status, in addition to having the unusual characteristic of being brought back from the brink of extinction with the use of genetic research. I will request the WikiProject Dogs to review to remove the stub classification as soon as the genetic research topic is addressed more thoroughly. GlitteringMountain (talk) 03:42, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

Sapsal Dog Info./Pic.
I have a Sapsal dog, apparently the first in America (doubt it though, but possible), and um...well I can always give a call to my dad, to give a call to the Sapsal dog re-populate thing corporation for some information on these dogs.

I may even be able to give a picture of my own dog, he's 26.5 pounds (last checkup, a few days ago) about 1 and half feet high (if sitting down), and about 4 feet when he's stretched out (without straightening his legs) at 3 and half months old. He's already pretty big.

He is aggressive towards strangers as the article says, and he gets mad easily. Not at us though, only towards strangers. He gets mad, a lot against strangers unless we introduce them first. I was barked at when I attempted to see him the first day when I tried to go around the house. Then he was nice after my mom and dad let me with him. If he is bothered, or if we are (unless by each other) he will bark aggressively, if that fails (which usually doesn't) he attacks. If he gets really bothered, he barks, again, not at us, but when he tries to sleep, and a dog keeps barking, a few barks from the Sapsal (3 months, already sounds like Arnold Schwarzeneggar deep voice kind of bark) will shut them up. Not trying to show off, but it's true.

He does tend to feel "unsafe." He sleeps by the door, inside or outside if he does not feel safe. However, if we're in the house, he moves away from the door, or goes to do something else. If he's outside, during the day he won't lie near the door commonly, but at night, he tends to sleep at the door. I'm not sure if the mat feels good, but it doesn't to bare feet, it feels like hay, even I would prefer to floor as he does.

This is information from another person, he shaved his Sapsal dog (because he wasn't combing the hair at least once a day, apparently that's required to keep the tangle out) and it took the dog one and a half years to grow the hair back. This is thecutnut. If I can use this information, please let me take a picture of my dog, and upload it, take some sounds of it barking, and upload that. Thecutnut (talk) 00:25, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Double dew claw
I'd like to add that this dog has a double dew claw (on hind legs) but I don't have a source (and am not sure all Sapsarees do, but if all living Sapsarees descended from just eight surviving dogs in the 1980s, they probably all do). Does anyone have a source for this? Or can it be added temporarily until a source is found? CorinneSD (talk) 00:23, 17 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Maybe Phil can help. .  ‎She is a dog breeder and  conformation show judge, might have access to weird small breed standards. Not in my dog litterature. Hafspajen (talk) 00:39, 17 December 2014 (UTC)


 * When you say "small breed standards", does "small breed" mean less common breeds or breeds of small dogs? Because the sapsaree is not small dog. CorinneSD (talk) 00:43, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, not so popular, not numerous. Hafspajen (talk) 01:53, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * It's not a breed I know anything about; however, looking at the external link to the Koreanan Sapsaree Foundation - click the English tab if my link doesn't take you to the correct section - under the 'Other unique characteristics' section it says it's the Blue Sapsaree that have double dew claws? It seems to have a lot of information that could be used in the article and I think it would be acceptable as a ref (in fact, it would be far better as a ref rather than an external link). There is also an article in China Daily that info could be extracted from? The blogs need to be removed from the External links section. Sorry, other than that I can't really help much ... SagaciousPhil  - Chat 12:04, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * - I am afraid, more than this is difficult to find unless somebody wrote a special book on the breed. Hafspajen (talk) 16:28, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * - do we use this as a reference in the article? And in that case where? Hafspajen (talk) 16:31, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * It is only included under External links at the moment - it is the first one "sapsari.org", which takes you to the Korean version, but you have to click the "English" tab and then click "Sapsari information". I think a lot of the information could be used to help develop the article. SagaciousPhil  - Chat 16:39, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Sapsali /Reguest edit
To whom it may concern

I am writing on behalf of the Korean Sapsaree Foundation. The official English name of the breed is 'Sapsaree' which has been used in articles of various international journals since 1990.

We would appreciate if you correct the name of the breed from Sapsali to Sapsaree. Thank you.

Kind regards, The Korean Sapsaree Foundation 58.150.50.219 (talk) 04:40, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello, Wikipedia uses the revised romanization except for personal names. The best Wikipedia can do for a move request would be Sapsari, not Sapsaree. Revised romanization would dictate "Sapsari". 삽살이 (sap-sa(carry the rieul to the next syllable)-ri) Just like Kimchi is usually romanized Kimchi, not Keemchee. That's the Korean government you'd have to take it up with. Even so, Sapsali has more hits than Sapsaree. --KimYunmi (talk) 14:58, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Other sources suggestions
http://www.petpaw.com.au/breeds/sapsali/

http://www.petguide.com/breeds/dog/sapsali/ - Has basic breed information, though one of the pages is missing all white as a color. (Which is proven by the person who revived the breed walking an all white one.)

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-korea-dog-saved-idUSTRE6AG0R920101117?pageNumber=1 - Sources for the other missing info in the history section. Also has things like temperament, height and so on.

I also think there should be a section for alternative names, etc. Since it's known as Sapsaree, Sapsali, and Sapsal gae and that needs better explanation. The Hangeul on the panel also doesn't match the text either. It says, Sapsalgyeon, not Sapsari, which makes even less sense.

--KimYunmi (talk) 15:13, 27 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Try Sapsal + dog or Sabsal + dog or the korean 삽살개 looking for scientific papers. Try sapsali + dog → don't think you will find anything scientific. See also there. Anka Friedrich (talk) 19:48, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Genetic Research on Sapsalis
Are there any sources that can quantify how unusual it is for a breed to be brought back from the brink of extinction like Sapsalis? Separately, how common is it for a breed to be this well-studied by geneticists during the time period in the 80s/90s when these dogs were initially studied?

The history section can benefit from expanding the section about the breed's revival to better explain how significant it is. Potential sources to cite describing the significance of genetic research on this breed:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11773246/ analyzes the genetic structure of Sapsarees, and their phylogenetic relationships with other Asian dog populations

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6683530/ studies the genetic variability among the Sapsali population compared with other breeds and finds that they have higher genetic variance compared with the other breeds analyzed.

GlitteringMountain (talk) 03:42, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

Article name and consistent name usage
Wanted to ask if anyone knew if "sapsali" was the most appropriate title for the article. I'm personally unsure. It may be the WP:COMMONNAME now, although I'm not sure if this article played a role in making it so. Possible alternative may be "Sapsal dog", similar to "Jindo dog". toobigtokale (talk) 02:49, 14 August 2023 (UTC)