Talk:Saracen's Head, London

So, where's the viaduct ? Snow Hill confusion
Since the Saracen's Head was demolished to make way for the Holborn Viaduct, how come there's no viaduct pictured?

This article needs a map/graphic to show the relationship between where the signage is and where the viaduct is.

Plus, the viaduct article needs to mention the destruction of Saracen's Head as part of the viaduct's construction. 2600:8800:785:2A00:C23F:D5FF:FEC4:D51D (talk) 04:33, 19 October 2020 (UTC)


 * It's not an FA; find a reliable source, be bold and add it in. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  15:29, 19 October 2020 (UTC)


 * The problem is that the inn was not in the viaduct’s footprint, so it did not need to be torn down for its construction. Qwirkle (talk) 15:34, 19 October 2020 (UTC)


 * See this source or contemporaneous maps. The marker is at the replacement structure, on a slightly different site. Qwirkle (talk) 19:52, 19 October 2020 (UTC)


 * According to this source, "Saracen's Head, a celebrated tavern .... it was removed in constructing the Holburn Viaduct" Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  15:45, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

"In the 18th century, the Mohocks kidnapped several elderly women at the inn, trapped them in barrels, and rolled them downhill towards Newgate Street.[4]" apart from the clear evidence of the photograph it is IMPOSSIBLE to roll a barrel downhill towards Newgate Street as it is Snow Hill which leads from Farringdon Street UPHILL towards Newgate Street. This is true now and was true before the Viaduct was built as a glance at any map of the period will show.92.1.14.246 (talk) 06:30, 19 October 2020 (UTC)


 * That's what the source says - verbatim "the Saracen's Head (demolished 1868), a popular tavern used by Samuel Pepys and Jonathan Swift, and was where the eighteenth century Mohock gang engaged in their practice of kidnapping elderly woman and placing them in barrels which they rolled down to Newgate Street" - the idea here is that they met women at the pub, assaulted them, stuck them in barrels elsewhere, then rolled those down to Newgate Street. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  15:28, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * IMS, that was a single alleged incident; any source which suggests it was a “practice” is suspect. Qwirkle (talk) 15:34, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * What other source do you have? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  15:36, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

I know it is what the alleged 'source' says that is why I cut and pasterd it - the fact is it is IMPOSSIBLE to roll somebody 'down to Newgate Street' from Snow Hill or anywhere nearby. It cannot be done. I think a Note to that effect should be made to query the 'source'.79.71.164.106 (talk) 21:41, 19 October 2020 (UTC)