Talk:Sarah Avraham

"the" champion?
Category:Muay Thai organizations lists no fewer than five bodies issuing world titles in Muay Thai. I think the tournament Avraham competed in was this one, organised by a group called the World Muaythai Federation, which does not have a Wikipedia article, and seems less important than the International Federation of Muaythai Amateur. I have found very little on the internet about the 2014 event, other than articles about Avraham; maybe non-English sources have more. jnestorius(talk) 18:01, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I will see if I can find anything more. At this point, though, our remit is to reflect the RSs.  What they state is what we mirror.  Going beyond that, within the article, would have us venturing into wp:OR (the same goes for a marring tag based on OR -- as long as the article properly reflects the RSs, we have the appropriate clarification for wp purposes).--Epeefleche (talk) 18:23, 12 April 2014 (UTC)--Epeefleche (talk) 18:23, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Reliability is not all-or-nothing (and if it is, there are quite a few of the sources I would put in the nothing column). As an example of discernment: the ceremony I've cited from Youtube suggests she came second at the championship, but given the muddled nature of the proceedings I'll trust the news reports over the ring announcers. OTOH it's not OR to recognise that the author of a "local person wins prize" story may not have a grasp of all the details. jnestorius(talk) 19:43, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
 * We have a number of RSs here; RSs do trump non-RS youtube videos. As well as OR. I'll stick with Yahoo and the other RS refs. And yes, it is unfortunately(?) OR to say: "I know the RS refs all say x, but I believe it is wrong, based on my personal knowledge and on non-RS youtube videos". See wp:RS and wp:OR.--Epeefleche (talk) 22:49, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
 * The Youtube video is a WP:PRIMARYSOURCE, not OR, and is used in conformance with that policy. It does not contradict the "reliable" sources, it supplements them with the name of the organisation (WMF) and the flavor (pro-am) of the title. The "reliable" sources are silent on these points. jnestorius(talk) 11:23, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
 * The do conflict -- the weight class designation range in the RSs differ from what you inserted. Furthermore, RS secondary sources are preferred over primary sources -- as what you just linked to states: "Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable, published secondary sources and, to a lesser extent, on tertiary sources and primary sources.". Epeefleche (talk) 17:21, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
 * "57 kg" does not conflict with "57 to 63.5 kg", but I agree the latter is better and have edited accordingly. (convert doesn't seem to support rounding to 0.5 of a unit.) jnestorius(talk) 12:42, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Verifying Biography Information
It has come to attention that the sources used for Avraham's background are solely from a right wing Jewish websites stemming from an article by blogger Asher Zeiger. The article particularity glorifies that she is an "Ex-Hindu". It makes a direct point to highlight she converted. However, this piece was meet with a very heavy response in the comment's section with readers from Avraham's own Kibbutz stating she was never raised Hindu.

And by Avraham's own admission in quotes, she grew up with Jewish beliefs because of her father's alignment to Judaism. None of the sources mention her father as a practicing Hindu. Because of this, I propose amending this description of the father and maintaining that he is Indian, ofcourse, along with Avraham's mother.

There is often a common assumption that everyone Indian is a Hindu. Unlike Judaism, Hinduism is not an ethnicity, so if the father never practiced Hinduism, as his affinity to Judaism shows, it would be libel to call him a Hindu.

I would appreciate if someone could bring up more balanced sources that instead don't propagandize her conversion to Judaism. As of yet, there is not validation of her being an "Ex-Hindu" from any other sources outside of Jewish sources and they do not even quote Avraham. This is especially important for WP:NPOV and WP:V. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HACKER HEADSHOT (talk • contribs) 00:22, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Former name
What was her former name before conversion? --Error (talk) 23:58, 4 October 2021 (UTC)