Talk:Sarajevo wedding attack

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There is no longer any need to spar about when the war began. In 2014, a trial chamber ruled that an armed conflict was already underway in March 1992. Amanuensis Balkanicus (talk) 01:11, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Amauensis, what you sourced is about war in Bosanski Brod, not war in Bosnia, “The Defence denied that the war in Bosanski Brod began in late March 1992, but, after having analyzed the evidence, the Chamber determined that all elements of an armed conflict existed in that period of time."

This isn't equivalent to War in Bosnia (normally considered to start in April), it refers to the Sijekovac killings of Serbs by a Croat-Bosnian force. Not every clash equates to an all-out war in a whole nation. I don't know how you morphed its interpretation, but I do not like it.

And that said the sources you used for claiming Nikola Gardic as being the first victim are not proper. Not to mention you discard all opposing views to try to portray Serbs as the victim.

The Economist blog you added has no credentials. Even if it does the other source you use Carmichael says Nikola's killing is often considered the first casualty of the war. Though it doesn't claim that's when the war began. You made the same type of edit before too it seems. And please don't unilaterally decide to remove sources unless you deem them unreliable. 117.199.83.116 (talk) 03:01, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Carmichael and The Economist are WP:RS. Your claim of the sources not being "proper" isn't an argument (WP:IDONTLIKEIT). The reason they've been inserted to begin with is because of your nuance trolling earlier. If you continue with your reckless editing you will be blocked (WP:3RR). Amanuensis Balkanicus (talk) 03:19, 21 May 2020 (UTC)


 * I never claimed Carmichael is unreliable or Economist is. Nor it's because "I don't like it". I thought it as a blog of someone without credentials, after you cleared it up, I let it go. And that said I've only reverted you twice, in one of them I let you revert me even if I disagree with you reasoning of "only one person said it" so it's not going to count much. You yourself have reverted (even partially adding back info can count as so). So I suggest you save the threats of getting blocked for someone else. Don't be agressive. 117.199.83.116 (talk) 03:43, 21 May 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.199.92.163 (talk)

@IP editor, I have reverted your latest edits. They do not seem as an improvement on any level. Please discuss first and do not edit war.  Sadkσ  (talk is cheap)  03:43, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Sadko, please tell me on what basis have you decided my edits don't appear constructive and why you ignored Amanuensis Balkanicus edit-warring and POV pushing by distorting sources and omitting opposite viewpoints. I clearly mentioned the reason for my latest edits (mentioning Bosnian War is widely considered to have started on April 6 as an alternate viewpoint, I used DW as source. After that I added a source). If you're just using me being an IP editor as a reason, please revert yourself. 117.199.83.116 (talk) 03:53, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I am not here to judge you or anyone. AB knows what he is doing and he knows the rules of the game. You have seriously changed some of the key information in the article. Considering that there was a clear disagreement before, I for one do not think that it is okay to add the information or to introduce a major change without a debate on the TP (which was started). It seems to me that you, respected IP editor, are trying to "fix some wrongdoing" which, in this case is, as you have stated it, "potraying Serbs as the victims". I find that very, very interesting. Have a good day,  Sadkσ  (talk is cheap)  11:50, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * No one asked you to judge anyone, just be fair. If AB knows what he's doing, doesn't that make his guilt even higher? Did AB discuss with me anything before he unilaterally removed all other viewpoints and tried to add what he preferred even though what he added is not what the sources said. I am trying to fix a wrongdoing, and that is potentially biased distortion of sources and unilateral removal of sources as well as opposite viewpoints which AB removed without discussion.
 * AB seems to be trying to portray Serbs as the victims, while my position is trying to be neutral and also presenting other viewpoints and what was actually said in sources, not cherrypicking sources and then falsely claiming they say "Nikola Gardić was the first casualty of the war" when sources he used clearly say "he is often considered".
 * Trying to be neutral and stopping POV-pushing is right, is it not? It seems the problem here is you not liking that I'm countering non-neutral edits you favour, ie you have a problem of WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Don't be biased. Earlier disputes have no bearing on later edits. Unless AB disputed on my later edits, you have no right to revert me. 117.199.87.125 (talk) 21:31, 21 May 2020 (UTC)