Talk:Sarge (Red vs. Blue)

GFDL notice
On 23:26, July 11, 2006, this was split from List of main characters in Red vs Blue. Prior edit history can be found in the history of that page. — TKD::Talk 01:26, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

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Original research / POV / one-off jokes
I removed a few things:
 * The shotgun bit has never been actually mentioned, to my memory. It's a general statement that needs to be sourced.
 * The "cat mascot" bit was a one-off joke that, IIRC, wasn't important to the plot (unlike the surgery bits).
 * He does not always get along well with Simmons (think "oh, kiss my ass some other time" and the traitor theme throughout most of season 4), so to state this is original research.
 * To state that Sarge's plans are surreal is POV unless that description is sourced.

In general, please remember that anything but simple description of what actually happens needs to be sourced. This includes generalizations. — TKD::Talk 00:50, 8 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I just added in the cat mascot thing because it was sort of similar to his quotes about John Wayne and Indiana Jones. And the shotgun thing was sort of referenced in Season 2: "I notice you use a shotgun.  That's cool", but that has been there for a while, ever since this article split off.  Dac 00:53, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Donut references the fact that he uses a shotgun, but to go from that to concluding that Sarge is the only one to use it is a stretch (i.e., it's based on knowledge and synthesis of other facts). — TKD::Talk 01:03, 8 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Good point. I think the only reason it was there at all is because it was in the original article. Dac 01:13, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * He notes he always uses a shotgun in the new PSA, for use against zombies. You all can figure out if that's worth mentioning or not. -- Viewdrix 03:08, 21 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't think so. Specials and PSAs are non-canon however you look at them, so statements made in them don't fit into the continuity.  Dac 03:35, 21 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, canon or not, it's worth considering writing up if it's significant. Most run-of-the-mill PSAs probably don't make the cut because they're one-off jokes and such, not because they lack canonicity. Off the top of my head, one example that I can think of that would be worth mentioning would be the short commissioned by Microsoft, in which Sarge was made into an Office Assistant. The OA was partly shown on G4 TV, once.... — TKD::Talk 03:54, 21 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Maybe. But on the topic of the shotgun, I just looked at his character profile on the Seaon 4 DVD and one listing was "Weapon: Shotgun:. Dac 05:17, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Layout
OK, one thing I've noticed with this article and also with the Tucker article is the fact that it's pretty much a direct copy of the original article on the list page. All it does is report the character's history, pretty much. I think we should go over it and copyedit it into something like Church or Donut's. Your thoughts? Dac 02:55, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, it needs better organization. My goal in doing the article on Donut was to set up a model for the other character articles. — TKD::Talk 06:15, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * As you will have noticed by now, I overhauled it to look like the others. Anything that I left out or messed up? Dac 05:17, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It's not too bad. I'd merge the general aspects of "Character Overview" into the lead and the specific elsewhere into the article; one paragraph sections are kind of unfulfilling. Sourcing and citations are the most important thing right now, though. Those tend to dictate how much you can spend talking about a specific point. I'm not a big fan of "Character history" as section heading, because it sort of takes the perspective of the continuity of the season. I prefer "Role in the plot" or "Synopsis", but that's relatively minor compared to the actual content. Just to give you an idea of how important sourcing is: If we had sources for everything currently in the article, it'd definitelty be B-Class. — TKD::Talk 06:31, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I understand. I'll get on that when I can; for now, I can do some minor editing.  Will change that heading and start looking for proper sourcing. Dac 06:49, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Hatred of Grif
In the section of relationships with other characters, it states that Sarge hates Grif so much that he claims that the animals puma and walrus don't exist. Isn't this jumping to conclusions? Afterall, Sarge is never shown as exceedingly smart, he's actually kinda dumb, so isn't it possible that he honestly doesn't believe these animals exist? Voicingmaster 01:55, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, that is blatant original research. Everything that's not obvious plot events needs a source, whether from the audio commentary or otherwise. These character pages needs quite a bit of cleanup. — TKD::Talk 04:11, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Fictional Iowans
Which episode does it say that Sarge is from Iowa? (Donut was the one who said "I'm from Iowa.") D4S 19:22, 25 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Character profile on the Season 3 DVD. Dac 09:00, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

In-universe tag
hey the pages is looking a lot more out of universe then it's been in the past. maybe we should consider taking the tag off. We may need a few little tweeks but it's looking good. Just an Idea.

peace out- Three ways  round  16:33, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

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Merge
Just like the Tucker article, this article is nothing but plot information. It fails Wikipedia notability guidelines. It should be merged into a short section in the List of characters in Red vs. Blue article. Pilotbob (talk) 23:41, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Reconstruction
Should stuff be put in here about Reds working with Washington and the Blues? For a more knowledgeable and relaxed Wikipedia- Nemesis646 (talk) 09:08, 26 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Already inferred. No need.  Dac (talk) 13:17, 26 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Do you mind me asking where? For a more knowledgeable and relaxed Wikipedia- Nemesis646 (talk) 14:25, 27 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Talks about them all being attacked by the Meta. Inferred there.  No need to extend it any further until more info directly related to the character is released. Dac (talk) 22:56, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Insanity
I think the phrase "Sarge has begun to show increased signs of insanity" isn't true. He appears, in the words of Wash, "Totally, 100% completly sane." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.226.185.159 (talk) 00:28, 27 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The fact that he spent his time attempting to put in cardboard cut-outs of his soldiers and then acting as one himself is a clear indicator... Dac (talk) 01:42, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

So, Robert Neville from the movie I Am Legend broke his isolation by talking to manicans, and he wasn't insane. I don't think he's insane, he just takes the war to seriously, and did that to keep any blues out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.122.162.63 (talk) 22:08, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


 * There's a difference between talking to cut-out and pretending to be one. Anyway, that's subjective; I'll remove it on that ground, but I still don't think there's any doubt as to the fact that he went steadily more insane.  Dac (talk) 22:58, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Let's not forget Burnie refers to Sarge becoming a "crazy old hermit" in the Chapter 3 commentary.--Drat (Talk) 06:41, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

ghost
isnt it possible that sarge is an AI as well because didnt he turn into a ghost for a short while —Preceding unsigned comment added by NinjacabooseD (talk • contribs) 23:13, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

he was a spirit in the spirit world, not an AI program. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.122.162.63 (talk) 23:40, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Church's true nature is a retcon. Unless something comes up about this incident in the series or is otherwise published by RT, all we have is speculation, which doesn't belong in the article.--Drat (Talk) 06:58, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Some say he is Sigma, the creativity part of Alpha, (based on that scene, and the conspiracies and plans.) but it does seem more likely he wasn't dead. (important to allow grif to revive him, so he could be in his own subconcious talking to "ghost" church. --Urnoob 07:11, 19 November 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.237.76.206 (talk)