Talk:Sarong/Archive 1

earlier comments
"This photo shows that men may wear sarongs."

This implies that men wearing sarongs is unusual or irregular, which could arguably be considered a biased viewpoint...


 * I agree it's western-centric. Since the picture obviously shows a man wearing a sarong, I think it's not necessary to say that the picture shows a man wearing a sarong; I've removed that part. Markalexander100 02:19, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * Isn't summarizing the contents of a picture the main purpose of a caption in this context? I think the caption should state that the chief "wears a sarong" or is "wearing a sarong" in the picture.  I only objected to the original caption's implication that a man doing so is unusual / irregular.

Japan?
Does anyone know wether sarongs are worn in japan?--1 black hand °T° 21:29, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

I saw a very old photo on one of the 'net's sarong articles. www.1worldsarongs.com/whatissarong.html -- 1922, Japanese Royal Family. DanielHolth 04:31, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

It appears to say Javanese, not Japanese. Though I may be looking at the wrong picture! Ralphael 06:12, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Yes, You are correct. It isJavanese, not Japanese. Japanese do not traditionally wear sarongs like many of the countries around them. If they do, it is more for a swimwear fashion or cover up.Pacific-Island-Style 07:56, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

lungi
The article presently had several, partly contradictory, references to lungi, which I've edited a bit according to what is mentioned in that article, and the mundu article. Could someone who has some idea what a lungi is and how it's different from a sarong clarify the situation or correct any problems with the article as it is now? Are lungi and mundu regional variations of the sarong, or similar but distinct garments? Where are they worn? 24.81.28.51 13:34, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Advertising
A few of the External Links were clearly nothing more than advertising and I removed them. The biggest problem is a dearth of non-commercial sites with instructions for sarong tying for women, and that's the only reason I left some commercial sites. Also note that many commercial sites picture various methods of tying a sarong for women, but have no actual instructions and are not reliable cultural references.

Sabu?
"Sabu" needs disambiguation, if linked. The formerly linked "Sabu" was the "professional wrestler", Terry Michael Brunk. With IMDb.com listing 4 actors credited as "Sabu", including a contemporary of the other actors listed, the accuracy of the entertainment athlete link is highly dubious. Perhaps "Sabu" itself needs disambiguation.

American version
I don't think the little wisp of fabric women put over their bikini bottoms so it looks a bit less like they're in their underwear is really a sarong. It sounds from this article like a sarong is something you could wear by itself and still be relatively "clothed" rather than decorated.

Saree
I've erased "The word originates from the Indian word Saree".

There is a reason why we call it “sarung” (Malay/Indonesian for “sheath”). Sarung is stitched at the edges to form a tube, so when it is worn, it’s like a sheath to the body, just like the sheath of a sword (sarung pedang).

While saree is a very long strip of unstiched cloth, draped around the body.Matahari Pagi 09:37, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

mundu
It is really annoying that the mundu gets associated with every skirt-like garment worn by men. The mundu is a long rectangular piece of unstitched cloth that is draped like a towel around the waist as opposed to being stepped into. It is not a type of sarong (or lungi). --Kannan91 (talk) 19:37, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Sarong in motion pictures
(quote)...The American public is most familiar with ..........(unquote)

Did I miss something? Wikipedia is mainly there to explain the world for Americans???? Common! What about "the use of Lungis" in Asian movies???? This whole section is rediculous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.8.223.223 (talk) 01:40, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Arab World added
Added Arab world, where the sarong is also used. It is used open as well as tube-stitched. Sorry, no references, but added a picture from Yemen that documents it quiet well.Mundu type is used as underwear in Oman with blue/black border. I am not sure if the Somalia section is correct. It says the sarong arrived in Somalia via trade routes from India and Southeast Asia. I think it is not correct. It is more likely that it arrived via extensive trade with Yemen or it was being used since historic time.Sarong-like clothing was the traditional garment of men for most of cushitic people from the Beja of Egypt to the Somali of the horn of Africa.Ancient Egyptian used something similar too.Futah was used in Yemen sice time inmemorial and not imported from Indonesia via trade. Ancient pre-islamic statues document this.


 * Although I wrote the sarong section for Somalia, I largely agree with what you've written. The sarong really isn't new to Somalia or to Afro-Asiatic speaking peoples throughout the Nile corridor. However, the macawiis, which is the most visible and popular form of the sarong in Northeastern Africa (Somalis, Afars, expat Yemenis, etc. all wear it), is a relatively recent import from the Southeastern Asian islands. It only first really got a foothold in Somalia in the early mid 20th century. I've also added Somalia to the Arab world section since it is a part of the Arab world. Middayexpress (talk) 07:04, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

What you say may be true for Somalia.Do you have a separate word for the non-imported wraps used since min. of 5000 years by Somaali people? In the Arab countries those that are made locally and those that are imported have the same names. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.176.41.75 (talk) 15:59, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

lungi and american verison...
Okay, the part with lungi and American version of sarong needs to be edited out. It made me think that ANY pierce of cloth that you tie around your waist in the front should be called sarong, is from south asia, and everyone else is copying them. Since most outfits like this are in south Asia, but NOT the same thing, I really think they should be on different articles. It makes it sound like asia was the first to think of putting a piece of cloth around there waist. --Chamkee (talk) 11:03, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
 * In Yemen (especially in Hadhramawt proper, which had traditional contacts with Indonesia), tube-like sarong is called "Saaruun" while open sarong is called "subaa'iyyah". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.61.164.252 (talk) 11:20, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Merge proposal
This article has a lot of overlap with the Lungi article, and some overlap with the Wrap (clothing) article. All three articles attempt to describe various similar garments from around the world.

I think the Sarong article should only be about the Indonesian/Malay garment, and Lungi should only be about the South Asian garment. All other similar garments (Izaar, Longyi, Pareo, etc.) should either be moved to the Wrap (clothing) article, or moved to their own article and listed in the Wrap (clothing) article. "Wrap" is the most generic name for these kinds of garments.

There is a tendency in English to refer to all of these garments as a Sarong or a Lungi, so I think both articles should have disambiguation at the top. The Sarong article should say "This article is about the Indonesian/Malay garment. For other sheet-like garments that are tied around the waist, see Wrap (clothing)." Similarly, the Lungi article should say "This article is about the South Asian garment. For other tube-like garments that are tied at the waist, see Wrap (clothing).

Does anyone have any strong opinions?

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