Talk:Sasaki Kojirō

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I have read in other places that Genriu's drying pole was significantly longer than even a nodachi, and that he struck almost as fast as musashi, cutting off his headband before dieing. What are your thoughts on Genriu's skill in comparrisson to Musashi's?

translation of kanryu(巖流)
I think this should not be 'Big Rock flow' but 'Big rock(or stone, or just rock) "style"', since in this way it can convey the meaning of the letter more clearly, which means a way or style of the fighting.

Sasaki Kojiro in fiction
Haohmaru is a rival to Genjuro in the Samurai Shodown series and not to Ukyo. Ukyo rivals Senryo Kyoshiro (at least in SS4)
 * Either way, is that really worth elaborating here? There are countless characters in Japanese fiction based on the Musashi/Kojiro archetype.  What makes Samurai Showdown so special? Uly 17:41, 4 January 2006 (UTC)


 * For the sake of accuracy and also that it is one of the only, (or at least the first one that pops to my mind) head to head fighting games featuring samurai and a kojiro/musashi rivalry --Stpk4 00:20, 4 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Ukyo and Haohmaru were rivals before Genjuro showed up, and Ukyo also has Kojiro's "Tsubame Gaeshi" technique (which I would say is the biggest hint).206.53.74.66 21:12, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Sasaki Kojiro appears as an NPC, as well as a special bodyguard character if fulfilling certain requirements, in the game Samurai Warriors 2.

I added Kojiro's appearance in the manga Kensei Tsubame. Just to let you know. 24.7.122.246 08:14, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Date of death
Just thought it might be nice to point out... The article says that Sasaki Kojiro died on 14 April, but the date of his duel with Musashi was said to be 13 April, which I believe the article implies that he died in. Just a bit of confusion on my part that could stand to be clarified, in case someone else notices this and becomes confused as well. -71.244.159.61 00:15, 4 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Looks like the 13th is correct. --maru (talk) contribs 00:51, 4 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Speculation: the novel (which is not factual, I know) says Musashi left Ganryu near death. Ganryu might have been mortally wounded on the 13th and died on the 14th. --Vincent 00:45, 13 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Sure, it's possible, but none of the sources I've read have ever implied that Kojiro didn't die within minutes or hours of the fatal blow. --maru  (talk)  contribs 01:09, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Musashi's late arrival
I added the bit about Musashi being late because he timed his arrival with the turning of the tide. A few years ago NHK's Sunday night period drama was based on Yoshikawa's novel Musashi. The Ganryu episode was probably the most awaited of the season and was preceded by a panel discussion on why Musashi was late. The tide theory was presented there.

I can't help thinking about another theory, pure speculation so not appropriate for the main article. Musashi was not late; in an age where the most precise measure of time was a vague two or three hour block (hour of the horse, hour of the whatever) he might have been on time and an impatient Ganryu expected him earlier.

They didn't have watches or clocks in those days. Like in Europe, there was agreement to the general meaning of morning, noon, evening, and night but that's as precise as time keeping could get. People could gauge time, e.g. sailors knew that if they left NOW they'd get to the island in time for the tide to turn, and water clocks in castles kept fairly accurate time for changing guards. Musashi's might simply have arrived towards the end of the appointed time period rather than earlier. Vincent


 * Historically, Musashi was routinely late for important pre-arranged duels. The more talented the opponent the later he was prone to be.  This was part of his technique designed to upset, frustrate and/or distract his opponent and thus increase his chance of success.  In his first two duels against the Yoshioka school he arrived quite late, then in the third arrived early to study the area and lie in wait for the Yoshioka retainers who expected to ambush him when he arrived late as they incorrectly anticipated.


 * You guys watch the history channel's Samurai Showdown episode of the show Warriors? They described the fight and why Musashi was late (to upset his opponent). 98.198.83.12 (talk) 17:02, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Come on people. It is an unanswerable question. There are multiple good reasons that have been suggested (he was busy carving his bokuto, he was making sure he had backup against Kojiro's sponsors (in the political-assasination theory), he was delayed by the tide, he was just late, he wanted the setting sun); the documentation on the duel is so sparse it's been suggested it never happened - do you really think there's going to be a solid explanation of the delay? Stop discussing it. --Gwern (contribs) 00:12 10 November 2009 (GMT)

Family name
Is his family name "Sasaki" or "Kojiro"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.84.208.203 (talk • contribs)


 * Former. --maru  (talk)  contribs 01:41, 3 May 2006 (UTC)


 * His family name was sasaki,because in japan the surname comes first.69.154.22.72 19:24, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot 07:11, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

He was named in the article mostly by his family name "Sasaki". I changed it to his given name "Kojiro" because...
I know in western cultures it is standard to name someone with his full name (given name + family name) or only with his family name, but this seems to be different when it comes to ancient Japan. You can look other articles like Miyamoto Musashi, Tokugawa Ieyasu, Oda Nobunaga, Toyotomi Hideyoshi, and others. In their articles they get named with full name or only given name. This seems to be since the given name was more rare back in those times, because many people shared the same family name since they belonged to a clan.

Here in this article, Mr. Sasaki was always mentioned by his family name Sasaki. But since you can see in the articles from Mr. Miyamoto or Mr. Tokugawa, it is even common on Wikipedia to use either the full name or only the given name. Nobody says "Miyamoto vs. Sasaki", they say "Musashi vs. Kojiro". I changed it in this article. --Niten Doraku (talk) 19:41, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Whole article lacks citations
This is just an agglomeration of Japanese media references, mainly deriving from Eiji Yoshikawa's "Musashi", which provided the basis for most of what is "known" today. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.109.194.181 (talk) 01:05, 12 February 2022 (UTC)