Talk:Satanic forces

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Offensive religious POV definition. I can't see how this could be expanded into an meaningful encyclopedia article. Delete. jni 16:28, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)


 * Delete. One sentence "article". Controversial. Offensive. --Jill St. Crux 17:34, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)


 * Delete. A wide, sweeping, offensive statement that is patently wrong. Average Earthman 18:28, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Satanism. No merge.   &mdash; Gwalla | Talk 22:16, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Why didn't I think of that? Agreed with Gwalla, redirect. - RedWordSmith 23:28, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Satanism. Nadavspi 02:17, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete . Strongly disagree with a redirect to Satanism, which has nothing whatsoever to do with what this article wants to be about. Redirecting to Satanism would make as much sense as redirecting "Running dogs of imperialism" to Dogs. --jpgordon {gab} 03:02, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Changing vote to Redirect to Satan. --jpgordon {gab} 04:46, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * How about a redirect to Satan?--Samuel J. Howard 03:16, Oct 9, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Do not redirect to Satanism.  Redirecting to Satan seems reasonable. Gamaliel 03:22, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Satan. JamesMLane 12:16, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * You know.... I hate to do this to everyone, but I can see a way to make this a real article.  It would take some doing, but it's quite possible.  i) Does Satan rule the earth? in which theologies and cosmologies is this so? through history. ii) For those cosmologies that hold that Satan has power over the earth, what is the nature of the struggle? those who say it is purely spiritual and individual. those who say it is collective and temporal.  iii) Ways in which the charge of "Satanic forces" has been used politically and culturally.  Yes, I can see it.  I can even do some of it.  Collaboration of the week, though, and not something I'd do by myself.  In the meantime, it could be a redirect to Satan until such a time as we can get a group of theology and history-minded folk together. Geogre 18:27, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * No objection from me, at least, for turning this into a real article, and no opinion on where it redirects to in the meantime. - RedWordSmith 20:35, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep, redirect to Islam (unless usage of the term by other religious groups can be cited), incorporating NPOVed content. What various relgion regard as Satanic forces could make an interesting article. That the term is frequently used by moslem clergymen in particular is noteworthy fact. The is no reason to delete it. 80.255 17:42, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Nine out of the first ten Google hits for "satanic forces" pastor look like their from a Christian perspective to me, although I didn't click through to check them all out. Certainly a good portion of them are. Strongly oppose redirect to Islam - RedWordSmith 19:20, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Also oppose redirect to Islam, unless someone can show Koranic references to "satanic forces". --jpgordon {gab} 19:33, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Soundbite. -- Necrothesp 11:49, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Firtly not all Muslims are out to get the heathens... they have normal lives to attend to. Secondly the article is quite POV and controversial. Firstly no redirect to Islam... I'd suggest a Delete but the article name is good it could be used to write about either Forces of Satan in fiction or any parts of Apocrypha... --Asmodai 17:56, Oct 11, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete, redirect to Satan. Strongly oppose redirect to Islam: (1) as noted above, not all Muslims use this term and many non-Muslims also use it, and (2) no matter what the rationale, the redirect could easily be interpreted as extremely offensive (implicitly equating Islam with Satanic Forces). I like User:Geogre's idea, but it sounds like a lot of work, so I vote to delete now and recreate a "proper" Satanic Forces article if and when someone has time. Pnot 20:39, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. I don't even think a redirect is necessary; there's not a single page linking to it.  Anyone interested in the topic would type "Satan" or "Satanism."  If the creator of the article thinks this single sentence is really important to include in the encyclopedia, they could insert the sentece into Islamic fundamentalism or somehting like that.  Fishal 01:25, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete / Redirect to Satan. Also oppose redirect to Islam, as that redirection would be non-neutral POV.  The term "satanic forces" has been used by Christian sects as well to refer to those behind such religions as Wicca.  Text also has POV issues as well.   --Feedle 19:25, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

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