Talk:Satellite city/Archive 1

Physical separation is an important criteria!
When listing examples, please do not forget that physical separation from the main central city is an important criteria. If there is no rural land between City X and City Y, then their relationship is most likely not that of a satellite city. -Jdmalouff (talk) 18:48, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Naperville and Gatineau
Looking at aerial imagery, both appear to be fully suburban. They do not appear to be "miniature metro areas on the fringe of larger ones", but rather look like fully suburban parts of larger regional metropoli. They may well be edge cities, but they are not satellite towns. - Jdmalouff (talk) 20:03, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Jersey City vs Newark
On the main article there has been some discussion about which of the above would qualify. As a smaller metro area that is interconnected with the whole, Newark is a satellite city. Jersey City is an example of an edge city. -Jdmalouff (talk) 21:41, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Saint Cloud, MN and Minneapolis-Saint Paul
I'm surprised that Saint Cloud isn't listed here. Saint Cloud fits all the criteria of a Satellite city. I'll quote from this talkpage's article:

Saint Cloud has "a true historic downtown," http://www.stclouddowntown.com/

"a distinct independent municipal government," Sterns County is not included in the 7 county Minneapolis/Saint Paul metro area council.

"existed as a city prior to becoming interconnected with the larger metropolitan core"

Per St._Cloud,_Minnesota

"The city was included in a newly defined Minneapolis-St. Paul-St. Cloud Combined Statistical Area (CSA) in 2000, even though commuting criteria did not require mandatory inclusion."

"and are surrounded by both their own family of bedroom communities" Again, per Saint Cloud, Minnesota

"St. Cloud is surrounded by a small metropolitan area, with Waite Park, Sauk Rapids, Sartell, St. Joseph and St. Augusta directly bordering the city, and Foley, Rice, Kimball, Clearwater, Clear Lake, Rockville, and Cold Spring nearby. With 189,093 residents at the 2010 census, the St. Cloud metropolitan area is the fourth-largest Minnesota population center,"

"and a belt of rural land between themselves and the central city."

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&safe=off&gs_upl=1272l5176l0l5420l29l18l0l0l0l0l340l2996l0.13.4.1l18l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&biw=1280&bih=563&um=1&ie=UTF-8&gl=us&saddr=saint+cloud,+mn&daddr=saint+paul&dirflg=d&geocode=KfUCy4KpirRSMUR_i9AO5rRV;KZ836eTO1LJSMSku2j_SkXLI&ei=J0pYTuCMJMfpgQeJwe2gDA&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBYQ9w8wAA

Saint Cloud is the very definition of an Edge City if there is one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.247.188 (talk) 01:45, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Singapore
the use of Satellite towns is not limited to Singapore. Satellite towns exist in other countries, for example the concept forms part of the plan for Canberra (Australia's cpital city) too


 * actually, the article's badly written. As is, it's not even on Satellite towns in general.Circeus 02:40, May 21, 2005 (UTC)

How are these different from exurbs?
There's a much more comprehensive article at exurb. If there's no distinction, the articles should be merged. If there is one, it should be explained in one or both articles. —Blotwell 06:26, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

There is a difference. Exurbs are the new generation of Suburban living. Instead of living in the traditional burbs, the ex-urbs are/we're too far a drive for commuting to be considered. With improvements in transportation, people can live farther out from the metropolitan core and still arive to the core on or around the same time it would have taken 25+ years ago.

Examples of ex-urbs in Texas would be:
 * McKinney & Celina to the Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex
 * Conroe to Houston

Examples of satellite towns in Texas would be:
 * Round Rock to Austin
 * Denton to the Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex
 * San Marcos to San Antonio

Those are the best examples in Texas. If your still unsure tell me your metro area and i will gladly give you some examples. 71.123.132.71 23:31, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Adding to consensus, satellite cities are an important distinction in Urban Planning. Many satellite cities have independent economies and may not even send commuters to the metropolitan area. In general, satellite areas must have developed concurrently or before the metropolitan area became defined. As such, most of them are "older" or originate from the 19th-early 20th century. However you can say that some satellite areas have become exurban (as many will overtime), it depends on the situation and several factors. It should be noted, you would be hard-pressed to find a more recent post-1960s example of a developed area that is considered a satellite, as newly developed "leap-frog" areas tend to be interlinked to transportation nodes taking them elsewhere (highways, light rail). A large factor in determining independence is the daytime workforce in or near the city. Merely the physical presence of large buildings and a "downtown" such as defined in New Urbanism tenents, does not make a satellite city. Here's a good non-U.S. example of satellite planning http://www.penrithcity.nsw.gov.au/index.asp?id=430 davumaya 04:23, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

If it isn't a satellite town...
There are several cities which share characteristics with Satellite towns, but are much closer to the main city. They aren't edge cities or suburbs, as they developed separately and have a traditional inner-city, and twin cities may be included, but there are often more than one.

examples:
 * Arlington, Texas
 * Brooklyn, New York (historical)
 * Chesapeake, Virginia
 * Hampton, Virginia
 * Long Beach, California
 * Lowell, Massachusetts
 * Moline, Illinois
 * Newport News, Virginia
 * Oakland, California
 * Pasadena, California
 * Santa Ana, California
 * Windsor, Ontario

What are these if they aren't satelite cities? Samhuddy (talk) 17:02, 6 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Most of those are too well integrated with the larger metropolis to be satellite cities. Almost all of them are secondary centers within a larger metropolis, which would make them either twin cities or the "uptown" variety of edge city. The only one on that list that looks like it could qualify as a satellite city is Lowell. If you need a quick cheat sheet, go to http://www.census.gov/geo/www/maps/ua2kmaps.htm and see if the city has its own urbanized area or is incorporated into a larger one. That isn't a perfect substitute, but it is a pretty good cheat. -Jdmalouff (talk) 19:12, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Is this term unique to Wikipedia?
Why have I never heard of the term 'satellite town' and more importantly, why does this term seem to exist only on Wikipedia? It seems as if some 'editor' created this term. Grammarcop1 (talk) 01:07, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

What do you think, if you follow the interlinks to other language articles? It is a well established term, albeit this article very USA-centric and doesn't really reflect the situation in other parts of the world. 217.89.43.122 (talk) 11:01, 22 June 2017 (UTC)