Talk:Sato (drink)/Archive 1

Lao khao
What's the difference between sato and lao khao? Can this be explained in the article? Badagnani 22:01, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Sato is a brewed beverage, Lao Khao is a distilled beverage. A western culture analogy might be Sato is like beer (or wine) and Lao is like whiskey.

It makes sense. It would be similar to the difference between Chinese mijiu and baijiu. Can this information be added to the article? Is there a lao khao article? Badagnani 22:49, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

สา
This is a word in its own write:
 * สา	saaR	verb	to suit; to fit; to satisfy; to gratify
 * attributive verb	[is] suitable; proper; fitting; satisfying; gratifying
 * attributive verb	[สาใจ] [is] satisfied; pleased; gratified
 * noun, Pali	dog
 * noun	[ต้นสา] the mulberry tree, Broussonetia papyrifera


 * โท toe means Grade Two, though whether a step up or a step down depends on usage


 * สาธุ săa-tóo 	Amen! ; salute ; pay respect to ; make/pay obeisance to. I often hear สาธุสาโท and I don't think they mean #2 dog.


 * เหล้าโท is what I hear it called when it is illegal; I also hear it used for partly fermented rice wrapped in banana leaves and passed out to friends.
 * That is a a 'stem' of the rice at an early stage of fermentation and is called เข้าลำหมกหมัก  KHAO LUM MOK MAK. It is technically illegal, so is not sold in a open market, and should not be fed to children! Pawyilee 14:35, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

สาธุ! Pawyilee 17:49, 30 June 2007 (UTC)


 * No need to try split the word up. It's a loanword from Pali. Paul_012 (talk) 21:29, 6 October 2007 (UTC)


 * What does the Pali root mean? Badagnani 21:45, 6 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Sādu: sweet, nice, pleasant, according to The Pali Text Society's Pali-English dictionary. Paul_012 (talk) 06:56, 7 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks, should add an etymology section with this info to the article. Badagnani 08:09, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Not For Sale
At least it's not for sale in Yasothon any more, so I'll should remove reference to Sato from Rocket Festival. Merchents here tell me there is no market for it as it is too sweet for modern tastes. A commercially brewed Japanese-style Sake, which is not sweet, has enough demand that some merchants stock it. I'll upload pix to post to Talk:Sake to see if anyone wants to add it to the main article, or what. Pawyilee 16:06, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Rocket Festival says may be on offer, and indeed it may, especially at the fair, so I'll leave it be. Pawyilee 13:55, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

For Sale
Sato is being bottled, labeled and sold to promote Yasothon's Rocket Festival at at least one place in town, near the entrance to the refurbished central market. The label says it is 5-degree (5%) alcohol. Pawyilee 07:54, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Intro
Clarified (I hope) difference between wine & beer. Added CAUTION & re-worded intro to fit. Also added several links.

Litlle Brown Jug
Hope this is okay, too! Pawyilee 14:18, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Brewing
Added ref a 'stem' the rice at this stage to wrap in banana leaves KHAO LUM MOK MAK เข้าลำหมกหมัก Pawyilee 14:35, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Good job editing, Thaimoss; thanky you! Pawyilee 06:02, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

"Little Brown Jug of Renu"
Please discuss rationale for removing this as a "commercial section", and how editors would like to see it wikified. Pawyilee (talk) 14:26, 23 January 2008 (UTC) The Phutai of Renuu offer their own, tax-stamped, do-it-yourself sato kit that consists of a little brown jug (ไห) containing rice brokens (อุ), called Lao U (เหล้าอุ) or Lao Hy (เหล้วไห) of Phutai Renuu, in a carry basket with two pointed reeds provided. The front label reads: "Ingredients: 1. Rice chaff 2. Milled rice 3. Baker's yeast 4. Jug 5. Refined sugar." "Alcohol not more than 6.40 degree (6.4%)". "Come visit Renuu Come see Phutai Dance Come sip jug whiskey with pretty girls of Renuu." The label also advises that it is not to be sold to children under 18 years of age. The top label says, "Use: Remove packing [a cement plug]. Insert both reeds to bottom of jug, add plain clean water, 2-3 qts., and drink right away. Drink quickly before it loses it flavor." A telephone number is given for interested parties to call. (Less informal brewing instructions are given above.)


 * It simply doesn't belong. It's as if the article for beer were to contain an entire section on one specific brand of home-brew beer kit. Or the article on whiskey were to contain an entire section on one particular brand of whiskey.  If you really want to include this information on Wikipedia, you should create an article on Home brew sato kits.  Patiwat (talk) 17:03, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, I did it; now lets see how quickly you can delete it. Pawyilee (talk) 13:27, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

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Believe the Brewing section should be retained
Patiwat removed the 'instructions' in the Brewing section of the article, citing 'What Wikipedia is Not'. Fair interpretation.

However, in this case, I'd like to offer a rationale for keeping that information. Obviously, many beverages are "brewed": beer, wine, sato, sake, etc. A key component of a specific beverage is how it is brewed. The methodology for creating beer and wine _ while both being "brewing" _ are different enough that the resulting drinks have little in common. I've brewed beer myself a few times, and have a novice familiarization with the method. I found the steps involved in the brewing of Sato, to include some important steps for beer brewing that are not part of Sato brewing, to be very interesting in comparing the resulting beverages. Yes, one interpretation could be that this was a "recipe" or a "how to", and I'll take Patiwat's point that those aren't necessarily appropriate for Wikipedia. But, another interpretation, the one that I have, is that these brewing steps are not a "recipe" so much as a detailed description of the process, one that anyone interested in comparing brewing methodologies would find valuable.

So, in this case, I believe the "steps" contribute factually and meaningfully and are not intended as a "recipe", but are intended to assist understanding what the item is and how it differs from other 'similar' brewed beverages. Thus, I believe those steps should be left in this article. - Thaimoss (talk) 01:09, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd be interested in the differences, myself, but not enough to want to try them out: I'm the one who added the warning this stuff can be very dangerous. Pawyilee (talk) 14:52, 11 June 2009 (UTC)