Talk:Saturday Night Massacre/Archive 1

Initial comments
I have a conflict in sources. All agree that Richardson resigned of his own accord in protest rather than fire Cox. It is less clear what happened to Ruckelshaus. Most sources say that he, too, resigned, but at least one claims that Ruckelshaus refused to either fire Cox or leave office, and was summarily fired by Nixon. More research is needed. Scooter 04:51, 31 Dec 2003 (UTC)


 * I've always heard that he resigned, and was not fired. Unless someone can come up with a very, very good source that says otherwise, I say it should be left saying that both of them resigned. --Raul654 07:13, 31 Dec 2003 (UTC)


 * I remember the reporting at the time saying Rukelshaus was fired. --Dvd_Avins


 * My high school girlfriends and I were all big Robert Redford fans and we were watching Jeremiah Johnson on TV when the broadcast was interrupted by an announcement saying these guys had been fired. Naturally we all went to see All the President's Men when it came out.

4.249.3.216 (talk) 13:08, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

The original reports said Ruckelshaus was fired. This was political subterfuge. It was later learned that he resigned. 76.195.126.249 (talk) 21:23, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

"After consulting with Richardson and Ruckelshaus, Bork complied with Nixon's order and fired Cox." - Ellsworth just added this. Can someone cite a source to back this up? &rarr;Raul654 19:01, Aug 8, 2004 (UTC)


 * Have re-inserted the Richardson advice, based on July 3, 1987 editorial page of the Boston Globe, which, I think, could not be charged with having a pro-Bork POV. Ellsworth 15:42, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)


 * That depends. Was it an editorial, or an Op Ed piece?  If the latter, who wrote it?  I find it odd that the only extant record of Bork hesitating in firing Cox occurs in neither All The President's Men or The Final Days, but on a single editorial page.  Additionally, July 1987 was when Bork's nomination was being reviewed by Congress, and it's very possible the editorial (or Op Ed piece) was highly POV, and planted to boost Bork's confirmation chances. Please post an excerpt, with attribution.  Till then, I've deleted it. Eleemosynary 08:02, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Cox was fired after both of them resigned on their own accord. Read "Breach of Faith" by Theodore White —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.182.45.123 (talk • contribs) 00:43, 16 May 2005

Plagarism
Blatant Plagiarism: Somebody is plagiarizing somebody: http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/s/sa/saturday_night_massacre.html

What's going on here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Guest (talk • contribs) 05:52, 4 June 2005


 * If you look at the bottom of that page, you'll see "The Wikipedia article included on this page is licensed under the GFDL" The GFDL, the copyright license under which all the text on Wikipedia is available, allows others to copy our information - in fact, we encourage it. &rarr;Raul654 05:58, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)


 * See also the article free content. Of course it would be better if http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com did like http://www.answers.com and included Wikipedia as a source (as well as a link to the article, a link to Wikipedia's disclaimer notice and a link to the foundation for those who wish to donate to Wikimedia, see ). --Oden 10:42, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

why not nixon?
why couldn't nixon just fire cox himself? Kingturtle 22:16, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
 * If I had to guess, it probably has something to do with the insular nature of the Federal Government. The president can hire and fire only members of his cabinet and their staffs; members of the cabinet are in charge of hirings/firings in their various departments. &rarr;Raul654 23:40, August 30, 2005 (UTC)

Is that the correct quote?
I've always heard it as "I am not a crook," not "I'm not a crook." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.57.245.11 (talk • contribs) 05:18, 15 September 2005

The actual quote came from a |Saturday, November 17, 1973 speech given in Orlando, Florida: "People have got to know whether or not their President is a crook. Well, I'm not a crook. I've earned everything I've got." Robert K S 22:13, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Page rename
I think this page is a good candidate for a move, to capitalize "Night" and "Massacre" in its title. Robert K S 22:07, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

"I am not a crook" -- context?
I though the "I am not a crook" statement was in answer to questions about Nixon's alleged income tax evasion rather than related to Cox's dismissal. --ukexpat 14:18, 9 August 2007 (UTC) Edited --ukexpat 19:31, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Origin
This article is missing a crucial element. What was the origin of the term "Saturday Night Massacre"? Who said it first? - Mtmelendez (Talk) 22:47, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Bork - Resign
Both the Bork article and Wg Scandal article say he planned to resign but was convinced not to by Richardson and Ruckelshaus to avoid damage to the Justice Department. The Bork article notes he felt the order was legit but didn't want to be seen as a yes-man (well more or less). Unfortunately all unsourced and I'm not using willing to add unsourced stuff particularly if I don't know it's true Nil Einne (talk) 17:07, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't think this page is acceptible in the education of this topic. KRJ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.95.18.113 (talk) 23:54, 19 March 2009 (UTC)