Talk:Say Say Say/Archive 1

Credits
I was wondering if anyone had any input on the credits on this song. I was mainly wondering if Ringo Starr played drums.

Info

 * http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=fzzwW8913G0C&pg=PA92&lpg=PA92&dq=%22Say+Say+Say%22&source=bl&ots=q5UXFhR3gP&sig=1gwAQwSSdRj2YGx7jmrhzbgDhKo&hl=en&ei=GZe-SZCvJtWHsAaGkeSkCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=3&ct=result
 * http://www.boston.com/ae/music/gallery/2008mtv_music_videos?pg=6

Update, I searched Google books and couldn't find anything else. Next I'll do Google news. — R  2  14:31, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, cheers.  Pyrrhus  16 ''' 14:38, 18 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Worse lyrics in a song, for the year 1983. Source = Anthony Violanti. "Schlock: An Unusually Confused and Nasal Dylan". (August 18, 1996). The Buffalo News.
 * http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20037860_2,00.html
 * "Aside from 'Say Say Say' and 'The Man', both co-written and performed with Michael Jackson, McCartney wastes the rest of the album on bathos and whimsy". Source = "Paul McCartney's New Album Is Just 'Embarrassing Fluff'". (January 15, 1983). Lexington Herald-Leader.
 * "[McCartney] redeemed himself somewhat with the 1983 success of the spunky 'Say Say Say'-another duet with Jackson-but plunged back into wimpdom with 'No More Lonely Nights'". Source = Paul Grein. (January 3, 1988). "Hits That Hurt In Some Cases, That Top 10 Smash Can Smash an Artist's Image". Los Angeles Times.
 * OK, add these in, if they aren't already, then we are ready to go. :) — R  2  11:41, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Conflicting information in The Girl Is Mine article
The year before [recording The Girl is Mine], the duo had recorded "Say Say Say" and "The Man" for McCartney's fifth solo album, Pipes of Peace (1983).

From The Girl Is Mine article with added emphasis. But this article says:

Prior to recording "Say Say Say", McCartney had collaborated with Jackson on "The Girl Is Mine", for Jackson's Thriller album. In return, Jackson agreed to record "Say Say Say" for McCartney's Pipes of Peace.

So both articles claim to be the second duet in terms of when they were recorded. I have no idea which is right. If The Girl is Mine article is right than the Girl Is Mine was recorded second but released first. Gripdamage (talk) 15:36, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I've reworded the section of this article.  Pyrrhus  16 ''' 16:34, 23 March 2009 (UTC)


 * No, it's still wrong - it's saying that they'd already worked on The Girl is Mine. It seems however that Say Say Say was recorded Summer 1981 and The Girl is Mine around April 1982. So despite it being released a year afterwards, Say Say Say was recorded first. I can't change the info as it stands however since there are two refs next to it.--Tuzapicabit (talk) 00:06, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Surely there must be some way to address obvious conflicts such as this. If it's wrong, it's wrong. Shouldn't some weight be given to citations? You have multiple biographies of both artists saying one thing (which is then even supported by the artists themselves), and the conflicting information is supported by a Rolling Stone rock-n-roll encyclopedia and an online bio of Paul McCartney, written by music critics? Just because someone made the understandable (and obvious) mistake of using the release date to determine which came first, does not mean that we should accept their mistake as being factual information.--HomeNot —Preceding undated comment added 03:34, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Too violent
"Upon its release, the National Coalition of Television Violence classified the music video as too violent to be aired." Really? --andreasegde (talk) 15:17, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, it might have been to do with the arm wrestle. :)  Pyrrhus  16 ''' 15:22, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * There's no violence in the video. I guess they don't know that arm wrestling is a sport, not a crime. Grundle2600 (talk) 14:31, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thats real weird, Say Say Say has no violence, just a comical energy drink scene.

Nikhil121 (talk) 9:28, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

cameo by some big black dude?
I'm new to (editing) Wikipedia, but that certainly doesnt look right. I can get rid of that, right? Stevenferdin (talk) 08:29, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Location of music video filming
I changed the music video filming location from Los Olivos, California to Los Alamos, California. I lived in Los Alamos at the time and have first-hand knowledge that it was filmed there. Los Olivos is a nearby town but was not the primary filming location. Filming locations in Los Alamos included the Union Hotel and the former train depot (see, for example, the Union Hotel's official website, www.unionhotelvictorianmansion.com, as well as numerous tourism sites which come up in a Google search). Teddy foucault (talk) 01:25, 8 August 2011 (UTC)Teddy_foucault

cameo in say say say video
Who is the big guy micheal arm wrestles in the say say say video??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.44.147.109 (talk) 07:07, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

7th top ten hit - recheck facts
Jackson was one shy of the Beatles, who charted 9 top 10 hits in 1964. Six number ones, plus Please Please Me, Do you wanna know a Secret, and Twist and Shout. dnsla23 22:19, 8 August 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dnsla (talk • contribs) dnsla23 18:36, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Stanton vs. Giraldi
Can we discuss this disagreement about whether it's Harry Dean Stanton or Bob Giraldi appearing in the video? The first person to make this change added a primary source (the YouTube video) to back up their claim. I removed it and added two secondary sources (AV Club article and a book by a respected Beatles author) that state it is Stanton in the video. My changes were reverted and a DVD was added as the source for Giraldi. Is this another primary source (just watching the video) or is there something on the DVD actually stating that it is Giraldi? My position is that reliable secondary sources should trump our ability to visually identify who is in the video, which amounts to WP:OR. You say it is "obviously" Giraldi, but I think it is Stanton. In the end, secondary sources should trump our personal opinions. -- Laser brain  (talk)  14:24, 5 May 2015 (UTC)


 * In the commentary for the "Say Say Say" music video on The McCartney Years DVD, at the 3:04 mark McCartney says "that's Bob Giraldi making a little Hitchcock-like cameo performance." Unfortunately, I didn't see anything in the cite AV media template that references the specific content in the DVD being cited. And for comparison's sake, here's a link to a photo of Bob Giraldi circa 1983. Piriczki (talk) 16:29, 5 May 2015 (UTC)


 * OK, thanks. In that case, it's likely that the sources I presented were repeating misinformation. -- Laser brain  (talk)  16:33, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

First video of dialogue and a storyline?
Saw there was no source for the claim that the music video was the first music video, for dialogue and storyline. Anyone know if   there is a source for this claim? And if so shouldn't it be erased or at least tagged for ? EagleTech199 (talk) 05:50, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

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Tuxedo change
Just a small quip, but I noticed that the following line regarding the music video seems misleading:

"When law-enforcement officers appear at the back of the venue, Mac quickly starts a small fire onstage and Linda hollers "FIRE!", emptying the venue and allowing the group to escape via backstage (yet somehow finding time to change into tuxedoes first)."

If one looks clearly, it is clear that Mac and Jack have already changed into tuxedos before starting the fire, as shown when they peek around the side of the stage. Mac (McCartney) does presumably throw a costume on top of his tuxedo before starting the fire, but Jack (Jackson) is obviously in a tuxedo as he calls out "Fire!" Given this, the text written above seems false. Therefore, it seems that we can conclude Jack didn't change at all after the fire, and Mac simply took off the costume and donned the dinner jacket. None of this seems notable enough to merit mentioning in the article, so I suggest that the line is altered, perhaps to the following, unless somebody else has a better idea:

"When law-enforcement officers appear at the back of the venue, Mac starts a small fire onstage and Linda hollers "FIRE!", emptying the venue and allowing the group to escape via backstage."

—  Tuxipεdia ( talk ) 22:48, 20 June 2018 (UTC)