Talk:Scammell Lorries

WPHERTS importance rating
Scammell was a prime supplier of vehicles to the British Army so of "significant national interest" = "high". Folks at 137 (talk) 12:42, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

"Scammell wheel nuts"
OK, so I must have had a protected upbringing to have not heard it previously, but the phrase gets nearly 6000 Google hits!! (Including at Wikisaurus!)

The phrase, in full, is usually "nipples like Scammell wheel nuts", usually uttered by a male and implying prominent (erect) nipples on a female...

Go on, someone find us a good reference so we can include this under 'popular culture', as the phrase obviously has taken its place in the English language...!

EdJogg (talk) 18:03, 30 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd hazard you'll not find one even looking in the Profanisaurus. GraemeLeggett (talk) 20:08, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Crusader 6x6 ?

 * Removed from article today: (EdJogg (talk) 15:30, 6 November 2009 (UTC))

I dont think the Crusader ever came in 6 x 6 version.

The Crusader Recovery Vehicle was the same drive line as the Tractor Unit, 6 x 4, although Diff ratios were different.

The Crusader Recovery was fitted with EKA underlift and many are still at work on our roads today. Pictures and information on this vehicle can be found on the Scammell Crusader Owners Site listed in the links below.


 * A Scammell Crusader Owners Site

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.177.120.8 (talk • contribs) 08:52, 6 November 2009

Showtrac
Moved from article today:
 * NOTE:Both steam and diesel heavy haulage and showmans road locomotives are exactly the same kinds of road vehicles,and perform exactly the same kinds of work. Diesel-powered versions of these types of road vehicles are just later modern motor lorry-based versions of the earlier steam traction engine-based versions of these types of road vehicles.The Showmans Diesel Road Locomotive term has ALWAYS been used by showmen and the travelling fun fair industry ever since these motor vehicles came into use by showmen during the 1930s.For example,the famous Tuby travelling fun fair outfit of Donaster,operated a Scammell Pioneer 6x4 Showmans Diesel Road Locomotive which had a sign on the front which stated:CAUTION. ROAD LOCOMOTIVE AND THREE TRAILERS.And today many modern showmen have signs on their lorries which state Heavy Locomotive,or Showmans Locomotive,or Road Locomotive,or Showmans Road Locomotive,or Showmans Diesel Road Locomotive.And these are the objective facts. Another fact is that many Fairground Vehicle Enthusiasts refer to the above road vehicles as Showmans Diesel Road Locomotives. -

The name 'Showtrac' so clearly indicates "Showman's tractor" that it requires no further explanation. A link to ballast tractor provides the link to the page which says what it is and how it is used.

The ponderous phrase "Showmans Diesel Road Locomotive" was absent from Wikipedia until you started adding it. A Google for the phrase only turns up forum postings by yourself, and on Tuby's page, where the vehicle descriptions are written in a style very similar to yours. (Are you connected with them?). I am very wary about allowing such neologisms onto WP pages since the extent of site mirroring can mean a narrowly used phrase appears to become widespread very quickly, which can seriously cloud the issue of usage.

Besides which, this isn't the place to add such a discussion, this article is about Scammells. -- EdJogg (talk) 18:24, 26 February 2011 (UTC)


 * And here is a photograph of Tucker's Scammell Pioneer 6x4 Showmans Diesel Road Locomotive,with the DIESEL LOCOMOTIVE sign written on side of it's body,this is photographic proof that showmen use the Showmans Diesel Road Locomotive term:-
 * http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l610/SCAMMELL7/RTuckers_Scammell_Pioneer_Before_Painting.jpg --


 * I think that even in the world of showmen, the term 'diesel locomotive' these days would refer to the railway use -- as understood to be the only meaning by the entire non-showman population of the planet. Certainly it is unhelpful to use the term here -- it's bad enough that there are UK/US differences for 'car' and 'truck', without introducing a highway use of this term.
 * BTW before editing today I Googled for 'Showtrac locomotive' and the only hits (where the word 'locomotive' was used in relation to the Showtrac, rather than something railway-related) were this article and a forum thread that you had contributed to, and where you were the only person using the phrase!
 * -- EdJogg (talk) 01:28, 27 February 2011 (UTC)


 * BTW-2 -- Although Carter's Steam Fair don't run a Showtrac, they have a large number of other Scammells, and they refer to them as "Showman's tractors"
 * (Check out http://www.carterssteamfair.co.uk/lorries.html ). -- EdJogg (talk) 01:47, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Lorries or trucks?
This article uses "trucks" throughout to refer to Scammell's products. This felt odd to me. This article clearly has close ties to British English, so that's what we should be using (even if we are not currently). Both "lorries" and "trucks" are used in British English, but a search of published books and periodicals through Google Books' Ngrams service shows that "Scammell lorry" and "Scammell lorries" are the preferred terms, overwhelmingly so Scammell's mid-20th century heyday. So shouldn't this article use "lorry|lorries"? Matt's talk 12:24, 20 May 2022 (UTC)