Talk:Scandal sheet

Redirect & disambiguation confusion
Hello all. I picked you as my victims for this question as I saw your names appearing frequently in the history for Wikipedia_talk:Disambiguation. I ran into some confusion when (after learning of the 1952 film Scandal Sheet), I ran a wp search on the string (all lowercase) "scandal sheet", which led me (via a redirect on "Scandal sheet") to Tabloid journalism. At first I wrongly concluded, with surprise, that we somehow did not have an entry for the film. When I tentatively stuck my toe in the waters of creating a new disambiguation page at Scandal sheet (disambiguation), I discovered the page already exists, and that it redirects to the disambiguation page Scandal Sheet, which lists four films by that name. Am I right in thinking that maybe Scandal sheet should redirect to Scandal sheet (disambiguation), and that that disambig page should list the tabloid journalism article, the films, and maybe to the Wiktionary entry as well (scandal sheet)? I considered trying to bring this about, but quickly concluded that I was more likely to commit a blunder than make an improvement. Any thoughts? Eric talk 04:54, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Gud catch! I've seen this type of problem before; it's not uncommon. Either (1) everything should be on the DAB page, or (2) there should be a hatnote on tabloid journalism. It's a question of whether the lowercase version is not or is a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT; a matter for WP:CONSENSUS. My feeling is that it is, because none of the films is well-known; so count me as !voting for option (2).
 * The Wiktionary link should indeed be added somewhere; another good catch. I'd suggest at the top of the DAB page as per MOS:WTLINK.
 * On a procedural note, I checked the links to lowercase, and they're all OK. Narky Blert (talk) 07:02, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree with most of the above. However, I don't think many readers will seek the Tabloid journalism article by searching for "scandal sheet", so I'd be inclined to make Scandal sheet a redirect to the dab ("Scandal sheet" and "scandal sheet" are the same page: as configured here, the wiki software doesn't distinguish capitalisation for the first character of a page title). I wouldn't add a Wiktionary link: the topic is covered here on Wikipedia, so there's no need to send people elsewhere. I'm not sure about the exact meaning of the term "scandal sheet": if it's just a synonym for tabloid (as is stated in the tabloid journalism article), then we can just link to that article. If, on the the contrary, it has a different shade of meaning (as seems to be implied by the Wiktionary entry), then we can rework the information from Wiktionary into the description of the dab entry (in that case, it would be acceptable to ignore MOS:DABBLUE and have links in the description to Sensationalism and possibly Celebrity). – Uanfala (talk) 11:06, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you both for your input! I was sure something wasn't quite right. I would say that the term "scandal sheet" is in much less common use now than it was during the era the first three movies were made, and so I might speculate that the majority of searchers on that term would not necessarily have term definition as their primary goal. Eric talk 14:41, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
 * , good catch, and good comments. The only thing I'd add, is to consider raising this issue at WP:Redirects for discussion, where you'd get a wider audience. If you do, you could top it with a Discussion moved from template linking this page, and add a Discussion moved to below, linking the new one. Mathglot (talk) 01:15, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Roger that, thankee. As Killick would say: Which I think I've implemented it correctly... Eric talk 01:43, 9 January 2023 (UTC)