Talk:Scandinavian Airlines

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Scandinavian Airlines + SAS Braathens ???

We should decide if we should include SAS Braathens in this article or not, we can't mention it everywere except in the fleet details, or can we? Ardfern took the fleet details for SAS Braathens away, should we keep it like that and remove other information about SAS Braathens or include the fleet details about SAS Braathen?

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This section reads like a sales brochure...with excessive detail. Suggest greatly condensing this section. --

Company Name
The official company name taken from the register of corporations

SCANDINAVIAN AIRLINES SYSTEM DENMARK NORWAY SWEDEN SAS


 * That's what I always thought too. But check the company website - it uses the singular. Did they change it? Or have I been wrong all these years? Tannin


 * It’s always been this way. It’s a functional name &mdash; SAS is the Scandinavian airlines system. That’s what it was meant to do when founded &mdash; unite the national carriers to form a single system that would be able to compete in the global market. A plurar here just wouldn’t make any sense. Markonen


 * The confusion is great; I think the web has significantly more "SCANDINAVIAN AIRLINES SYSTEMS" than "SCANDINAVIAN AIRLINES SYSTEM". There even seems to be a Swedish law that is targetted at SAS using "SYSTEMS".


 * Google: 10200 results for "SCANDINAVIAN AIRLINES SYSTEM", 857 results for "SCANDINAVIAN AIRLINES SYSTEMS". Markonen

At present the entry merely deals with the "Scandinavian Airlines" part of SAS, which makes up roughly half of the businesses for the whole corporation. The other activities should probably be included here rather than splitting it on separate entries, which would definately lead to naming issues. The subsidiary airlines are to some extent already mentioned and should survive as such but the hotels and other activities ought also to be mentioned. -- Mic

However, SAS itself only uses the name "Scandinavian Airlines" - NOT "Scandinavian Airlines System", which hasn't been used for years. Therefore, e g the entire article should be renamed. Dissimilation (talk) 17:59, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Redirect
Someone, make, please a redirect to this page in "SAS (airline)" page. - 84.250.25.157 22:10, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Oslo
I do find iut strange that "Oslo" is not listed as a hub, but a "focus city".

Why is that? SAS Braathens operate many flights from Oslo, and I don't think there are any fewer flight from Oslo than it is from Stockholm.

Answer to the Oslo question
I now why Oslo isnt a hub, thats because SAS has 31 international destinations (and more daily international departures) from Stockholm than Oslo. (Oslo has 21 international destinations, most of them are served once or twice a week). But your right about the amount of flights from Oslo, Oslo has even some more passenger than Stockholm, but most of them are domestic or transfer flights to ARN or CPH. And Oslo does not have any intercontinental flights.

Oslo=hub
I've changed the page to include Oslo to a hub. Scandinavian Airlines itself defines Oslo as an international hub in their destination map. (See the inflight magazine Scanorama). It would be strange to use other definations than the ones that SAS use.--217.118.49.189 20:00, 11 July 2006 (UTC)HRE

Focus city v. hub
As I recall, Copenhagen is the company's hub with most of the international connecting flights going through CPH, while both ARN and OSL serving as "national hubs". Most flights from Europe to Norway go through OSL, and the same with Europe to Sweden.80.161.77.36 09:41, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Internal LInks
This article is definately "over-linked". It is not absolutely neccessary to link every single date and place! I'm sure the time would be better spent improving more deserving articles. TinyMark 09:55, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

SAS Related Trivia
Probably not notable enough to be included in the main article, but of interest to SAS buffs

Who/where did the condiment packet copy come from?
I came across some SAS condiment packets recently, austentiably from the late nineties. They have the following unusual sayings on them


 * The colour of snow. The taste of tears. The enormity of oceans.
 * As sugar dissolves, it spreads happiness
 * Pepper," it said, "has been called the gift of the East, though 'gift' means poison in Swedish, don't let that put you off."

Does anyone know where they came from, when they were introduced and whether they remain as part of the cabin service?


 * Thoglette (talk) 10:57, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Update: Ask The Pilot (Salon.com) And AskThePilot

Thoglette (talk) 3:45, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Found some more complete with photos at WAModern (japanese) --Thoglette (talk) 09:14, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Imagine if it snowed sugar. It would look like snow, but a lot more people would be eating out
 * If you want salt on your meal,  don't cry- use this package
 * Imagine if the oceans of the world contained pepper instead of salt, well... maybe not

Meaning of name
You people might find it amusing that the word SAS means eagle in Hungarian. Quite appropriate for an airline company. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.177.44.73 (talk) 21:10, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * But it doesn't belong in the article, unless there is proof that this influenced the naming of the airline. WhisperToMe (talk) 16:29, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

"Core SAS"
I just removed the IATA code "BU" from the listing in the article, as the code has not been used for some time (see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airline_codes). Flights using the ICAO code "CNO" will have an SK code on the passenger ticket, as well as bags, ect. Also, there are reports that use of the ICAO code "CNO" (along with the callsign "SCANOR") will be discontinued from October 1st 2009. Allthough I consider the sources reasonably reliable, I haven't found sources that would be acceptable for a change of this article, allthough SAS is going rather heavily on about "Core SAS". Gunnar Seljeseth (talk) 02:22, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Hiiden Advertisment?
Although not direct, it nearly appears that the first paragraph is fishing for customers. Also of interest is the lack of mention SAS economic problems and competition. Strange....


 * Yes, this article used to contain information about SAS's financial problems and how they receive massive state subsidy from Scandinavian governments. Strangely, it seems to have disappeared. 85.24.188.244 (talk) 11:41, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

SAS Fleet
I have adjusted the fleet numbers considerably, to accurately reflect the number of in service aircraft. In service aircraft are aircraft that the company is actively using for revenue generation, and should not include aircraft in storage. As an example, SAS has not used OY-KBM (A340) since end of July 2009, when CPH-SEA was cancelled.Lbc71 (talk) 10:17, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
 * SAS Fleet as of October 2014. Archive TGCP (talk) 19:28, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Standard of notability for Incidents and Accidents: compare f.e. Lufthansa
I just checked out this SAS page - and the Incidents and Accidents section needs improvement. Specifically, here the incidents involving the Bombardier Dash 7, gets loads of attention which I believe is unwarranted since they were not hull loss accidents and involved no injuries nor casualties.

Being a scandinavian myself, and having read scandinavian tabloids during through these last ten years, I can see why. These incidents received A LOT of attention in the tabloids - and other media - at the time. So I acknowledge that they probably rise to the level of notable, given wikipedias defined standard.

My issue is that if you look at other airline pages - specifically the Lufthansa one, which I'm familiar with - they generally only list hull loss incidents; and these incidents, while certainly being distressing for the passengers on the flights, were not hull loss incidents, and no-one got killed. (Did anyone even get injured?)

So, my point is basically that in the context of big league international airlines these incidents are dimes a dosen, and not given this much space on other carriers pages. Actually, the only reason they're given so much space here is because the dash-7 incidents got so much attention in tabloids.

Bottom line: my proposal is to limit the "Incidents and Accidents" section to hull loss accidents. Stuff about the dash-7 should get it's own wikipedia page. It could get a link from either the SAS page or the Bombardier page - or maybe from both. It is a media controversy, and b/o that if nothing else, I guess it's notable. I just think there's a user value to be found in consistent standards in information presented between different carriers wikipedia pages, and that's getting the short end of the stick presently...

RandySpears —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.178.95.169 (talk) 21:50, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Ok, having received no responses I will briefly summarize the Dash incidents under one bullet point and link to the existing page that deals exclusively with those incidents...

RandySpears

Images
...of the SAS global headquarters in Stockholm are now available here: File:SAS koncernbyggnad 2006.jpg and more here: sv:SAS_koncernbyggnad. /Urbourbo (talk) 09:40, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

A lot of historical photos available
If you refer to commons:Category:Photos by Lars Söderström and its associated template, there are many historical photos of SAS available for uploading (to Commons not to local WP projects) - Caravelles, BAC 1-111s, DC-7, 747s, etc, etc. Feel free to upload images as noted on the template and in the category. Cheers --Russavia Let's dialogue 18:55, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Info about HQ move

 * Affärsvärlden - June 2007
 * Moving HQ in order to increase profits and reduce costs
 * September 2007 article of e24
 * Mats Jansson reveals the plans
 * Dagens Industri - this February 2010 article
 * Scheduled to take place in Autumn 2010
 * e24 - February 2010 article
 * Says old HQ was too large

Thanks to User:Jonkerz for finding these! WhisperToMe (talk) 21:57, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

why is tlv missing from destnation map?
why is tlv missing from destnation map? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.181.232.127 (talk) 16:48, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Buy on board info
I'm not sure if there are secondary source articles that talk about SAS's buy on board program. If so, maybe these could have supplementary info? WhisperToMe (talk) 09:53, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
 * http://www.flysas.com/upload/international/SKI/travel_info/cloudshop/CloudShop_Winter2012.pdf - http://www.webcitation.org/6Dc4ilBma
 * http://www.flysas.com/upload/International/Finland/travelinfo_new/sas_menu.pdf is the Blue1 menu - http://www.webcitation.org/6Dc4laNZi

Fleet Gallery
Unless someone can point to a rule that says "no fleet galleries", I'm going to restore the Fleet gallery. I've read WP:ARLINES without finding anything about airlines articles shouldn't have fleet galleries. And plenty of other airline articles (BA, Lufthansa, Iberia, KLM, United, Qantas, Air France, American etc.) have fleet galleries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.229.44.57 (talk) 19:22, 29 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Nothing to do with WP:AIRLINES, Its a general rule that we dont add galleries as we use the link to commons to provide the reader with a range of images. The article has a more than enough images without adding any more. Some of the ones you point to have been added recently probably by a user not aware of the guidelines. 19:27, 29 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Where can I read about the general rule? 10:39, 30 July 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.229.44.57 (talk)


 * WP:NOTGALLERY MilborneOne (talk) 08:04, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

Destination Map needs to be updated.
Ireland (Republic of Ireland) is not marked on the destinations world map, despite SAS having flown to Dublin since 1966. Flights to Shannon have also started this year (2017). Can the may be updated? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8084:1200:F000:1D85:1DC7:6665:B765 (talk) 18:26, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Also, the number of destinations Scandinavian Airlines serves have increased from 183 in 2012 to 272 in 2017, mentioned page 11 in 2nd quarter report 2018 to analysts.--Bornsommer (talk) 17:30, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

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Far-leftist propaganda
I am surprised there is no mention of the massive controversy over this airline creating a racist, anti-Scandinavian propaganda video: www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/02/13/airline-backs-down-on-woke-nothing-is-truly-scandinavian-ad-campaign-after-backlash (direct link censored due to political activism by a Wikipedia administrator). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:2748:6F00:79B6:A766:86EE:AF29 (talk) 17:49, 14 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Probably because in the scale of things it is not particularly noteworthy. MilborneOne (talk) 19:11, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Danish State Owned
The Swedish state owns a slightly larger stake in SAS, yet only the danish state is mentioned. Why? 78.79.237.218 (talk) 08:14, 19 July 2024 (UTC)