Talk:Scarborough and Whitby Railway

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Londesborough Road
Am I wrong (probably), but wasn't Londesborough Road accessible from Scarborough station too? I think the RDT might be incorrect. I will change if if people agree though I am not 100% sure.The joy of all things (talk) 20:11, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
 * No. See the map on the Disused Stations site linked from the station article. Britmax (talk) 20:21, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry, not making myself clear. I understood Falsgrave Junction to be just after the tunnel exit where Platform 1A finished. This would mean that the lines intersected and made Londesborough Road accessible to the Central Scarborough Station, even if no trains actually called at both stations. Whatever; I assume the position of Falsgrave Junction to be incorrect as where it is listed on the RDT, would be Washbeck Junction. Still - I am happy to be proved wrong, but check Disused stations article on Falsgrave Tunnel - it has closer mapping. Regards.The joy of all things (talk) 21:43, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
 * That article has the same thing: that Londesborough Road is on a short branch just south of the mouth of Falsgrave tunnel, and that it is a terminus with no outlet to the north that would enable trains to reach the main station. Britmax (talk) 13:37, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
 * So you agree - the RDT is wrong in its current state? See the photograph from the Scarborough Station page. [[File:Signal gantry on the approach to Scarborough Railway Station - geograph.org.uk - 1721421.jpg|thumb|Former signal gantry in July 1986]] The lines from the station intersect with the line from Falsgrave tunnel coming out behind Falsgrave 'box on the right. The platforms of Londesborough Road are in the distance (The A4 is just going past them). To me it looks like the station is accessible from all lines - this would mean the RDT is wrong any which we cut it, surely? Regards. The joy of all things (talk) 14:12, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
 * The A4 is two roads out from the platform at Londesborough, and the platform road there disappears away behind the bushes. It is not possible to see in this picture whether they are connected. Britmax (talk) 14:40, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Fair enough; I can see that it is a little obscured. Londesborough Road was closed down at this point, so the lines may have been disconnected. However, Londesborough Road opened up in 1938 for excursions. The trains would disengorge their passengers at the Londesborough Road platforms and then go to Northstead Carriage Sidings which were through Falsgrave Tunnel, past Gallows Close yard and just west of the town. None of the books I have read make mention of them reversing out of Londesborough Road (but that doesn't necessarily mean that didn't). You can see where the line comes round the back of the people on the platform and joins the lines from the station - that is Falsgrave Junction, so whatever way you cut it, the RDT on this page is wrong; it's just how wrong we are debating about now.


 * The current trackmaps for the Eastern Region shows Londesborough platform still there and a turntable, but no access from the south. Of course this may have all changed by now as that map was issued ten years ago, and doesn't show how it was 30 years ago. Take a look at the RDT for the York to Scarborough Line - I think it is far more accurate than what the Scarborough to Whitby line RDT says. RegardsThe joy of all things (talk) 20:56, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

As far as I can tell it should look like this:

Or rather like this, given the trackwork and passng trains through the tunnel to the carriage sheds: See you in the morning. Britmax (talk) 21:33, 19 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Yes! I still think they were connected at the top, but you're right, I cannot prove that. The above RDT is far moreaccurate that what is on the page at the moment. Regards.The joy of all things (talk) 13:01, 20 August 2016 (UTC)