Talk:Scarecrow (comics)/Archive 1

It is only start class because there is only a small section about the film involvement of the character

Surname
A psychiatrist with the surname Crane? Could this be just a coincidence? &mdash; J I P | Talk 20:48, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Urgent: NO Need FOR Renaming
This needs to be renamed "Scarecrow (DC Comics)". Marvel Comic also has a scarecrow, and the disambig page The_Scarecrow can separate them. [[User: 19:33, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Or since he has now been seen in Batman Begins, perhaps it should be moved to The Scarecrow (Batman Villain). JP Godfrey 22:01, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, but this one is the real deal, the original one, and the better known, the bob kane creation deserves to remain "scarecrow (comics)". Besides, i think that what most people would do when making a link on another article. The other one, not that is a bad character, but he can be called "Scarecrow (marvel)"--T-man, the Wise Scarecrow 06:25, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Crow's name?
I was always under the impression his crow's name was Nightmare? Where did Craw come from? - unsigned by User:207.200.116.74

Cleanup
This page needs an overhaul in terms of confusion between comics, TV, movie, etc. As well, the overemphasis on the Bat-Embargo needs to be toned down. Dyslexic agnostic 04:54, 27 December 2005 (UTC) Leave me alone, please!!--T for Trouble-maker 04:56, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

by bruce timm you stupid. would you: thanks --T for Trouble-maker 05:13, 27 December 2005 (UTC)btw. it's just a stupid line, you criticize when i write too much, when i write too little. you are telling theembergo is good enough for the jlu page, but not for here, who undertands you, you big #######!!!! you don't even care!!!! leave me alone i don't want to see your stupid user name in every f cking page on my watchlist!!!! leave me alone!!!--T for Trouble-maker 05:18, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) . for once read what i write before erasing it?
 * 2) . leave me and my watch list the hell alone???!!!!!!!

Loving the changes
I feel so proud of you people! Forget about above Dyslex, this page is prefect and that's thanks to you. --T for Trouble-maker 19:52, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

There's not very many changes here anymore. Can someone add some more pics? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.237.219.34 (talk) 19:03, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Next
We need to put more bio here, how does he know batman's identity, did I missed that from Hush?--T for Trouble-maker 19:52, 29 December 2005 (UTC) - I agree, there isn't anything about his childhood as mentioned in Scarecrow:Year One. Scarecrow was only in Hush for two pages. I don't recall him ever discovering Batman's identity. As far as I know here is a list of the people who canonically know who Batman really is: Alfred Both Batgirls All the Robins The Riddler Some of the Justice League (Superman, Wonder Woman, J'onn J'onzz, Aquaman, Green Arrow, Zatanna,Black Canary, The Atom, Hawkman, Blue Bettle II (Dead), Green Lanterns, The Flash II-III (Barry Allen, Wally West.) And in the cartoons, Lois lane and Andrea Beumont know but I don't know if it official canon. - didn't Gordon find out it was Wayne at the end of Batman: Year One? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.231.138.145 (talk) 04:33, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Odd coincidences
Note that the first time the origin of the Batman was shown in tv or movies was in an episode of Super Powers from the 1980's called the Fear-which also featured the Scarecrow in it. Odd coincidence that he got into Begins, the first film to show the murder of the Waynes by Joe Chill, right?

In an odd coincidence, during the first half dozen issues of The Batman Adventures, the Scarecrow engineered a scheme that caused mass aphasia in Gotham's citizens. Ra's Al Ghul in JLA's Tower of Babel used a similar scheme.(some dude)

Yeah, and another odd coincidence is that, mediocre editors keep erasing those very interesting points you just made. The thing I don't get from wikipedia is howcome arrogant editors keep modifying things they know no crap about. Aghh!! Makes me so angry!! So pretentious!!--T-man, the wise 04:16, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Also, I think there is a Paul Dini or Bruce Timm quote about the last Scarecrow redesign stating that "they don't know if that's a mask anymore". Can someone get that quote. That added some scary movie air to the character (he was never seen with out mask after that quote).--T-man, the wise 04:20, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Twas Paul Dini, but I think you may have misheard what he said. He actually said "we don't know if there is even a man under that mask any more": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owaMoWmD2vE

Movie Costume Picture
I have found a picture that shows the scarecrow near the end of the film. Could I add it to the article, near where it talks about his costume? Here it is:

Image:ScarecrowBBClimax.jpg

Another Image
Also I have an image of Scarecrow in action which is one of my favourites. Can I put it up somewhere here?

Scarecrow

Cool Image!! Where is that from?!! I say copipaste the copyright good and go for it. It is totally descriptive of the character.--The Judge 06:29, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

It's from "Judgement on Gotham". Glad ya like it. I'm kinda new to the whole editing wikipedia lark so I'm unsure of what procedure I should undertake to post the image up. I'm reading the help file now but any quick info is welcome.

Just edit, make change and wait for those to be masacrated by critics, hahaha. Uh and always sign your comments. (third buttom from the right above the editing window where you write) --The Judge 14:55, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Okay I put it up. Hope it stays! Oh yeah not signing was unintentional, thanks for the tip.--Dogturd 19:23, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Hey, I don't suppose you got a larger resolution of that, do you? I kinda want to read what he's saying. (Is it "Scarecrow"?)--CornfieldMannequin (talk) 19:04, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

He's saying "Sorry, you lose!". The original picture I uploaded was much larger but for some reason someone decided to reduce it to the size it is now. Pity, it's a sound pic. If ya click on the link above you can see a large version of it. --(Dogturd (talk) 21:44, 14 December 2008 (UTC))

Clinical Psychiatrist?
Huh? The Scarecrow isn't a clinical psychiatrist. Maybe in Batman Begins he was, but not in the comics... --206.108.182.98 21:34, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

According to me, he isn't. If somebody can prove it is otherwise, please tell--The Judge 22:15, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

I believe in Jeph Loeb stories, Crane's a psychiatrist, but in most other stories, he's not. Atreyu1075 20:43, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

There are many mentions in the comics about him being a professor, while in the movie (to make it more realistic) they call him "Doctor Crane." (4:19 PM August 7 2008) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.110.210.9 (talk) 23:20, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

I just found out that the Dark Knight novelization of the movie has the Scarecrow as both a psychiatrist and a professor.--198.237.219.34 (talk) 15:06, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

BIGGER RESOLUTION OF "BEGINS" PICTURE
I just found an enormous resolution of the picture used in the article under Batman Begins. Can someone upload it? Or does it not need to be uploaded? I know Wikipedia wants the biggest resolution possible with images. Here's the link for it:--CornfieldMannequin (talk) 18:34, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Tense
Why is the majority of this article written in the present tense until the end? Any opposition before I go through it?--Happylobster 17:56, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Scarebeast
I added an image of Scarebeast, I hope nobody minds...

Image:Scarebeast.jpg

JackOfHearts 22:17, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey wasn't there a quote taken off that? User: Crane 117 4:25 PM Aug 17 2007 (UTC)

Is The Long Halloween Cannon?
In Jeph Loeb's graphic novel, Batman: The Long Halloween, it is revealed that Scarecrow strangled his own mother on Mother's Day. Is "revealed" really the proper word there? It's my understanding that The Long Halloween isn't supposed to be cannon with the ongoing Batman books, and revealed sort of implies that it is. GambitRF 02:54, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Speaking of which, I thought the plot was that the gaurds told batman that his mother was visiting him on Mother's day, and batman tells them that he killed his mother on Valentine's day... 75.153.231.20 09:59, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

I have the book in front of me, and he definitely says Mother's Day. And I was under the impression that TLH was very much cannonical. I've been wrong before, though... Atreyu1075 20:43, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Riddler
The article mentions that, as one of the original 13 Legion members, he was slated to appear on JLU, but was stopped by the Bat Embargo. Wouldn't it be appropriate for a similar mention to be made on Riddler's page? Czar Baldy Bald IV 01:02, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, however why was Riddler locked up? I understand Scarecrow because of Begins, but was Riddler not appearing really the cause of such copyright issues? Claycrow 01:08, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

I didn't mean copyright, I meant what makes characters in two different places at the same time Issues. Claycrow 00:08, 22 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Based on the text in Justice League Unlimited, the Bat-Embargo had as much to do with The Batman as with Batman Begins. WB just went with a blanket "No Batman characters except Batman" line. - J Greb 00:48, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

I understand, but still, should Riddler have a mention? Claycrow 01:15, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't know. I assume that Riddler's lack of appearance is related to the embargo. I can see no other reason why two of the better known original legionnares would not have been included while more obscure evildoers like the Key, Heat Wave, and the Puzzler were added. I guess what would decide if Riddler's exclusion should be mentioned (in his own article or here) is whether or not he was "slated to appear" as it says of Scarecrow. It implies that all original members were to appear. What does anyone else think? Czar Baldy Bald IV 00:00, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Scary or violent?
So is his fighting style called "Scary dancing" or "Violent dancing"? I'm almost positive it's mostly been referred to as "violent". 75.153.231.20 10:00, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

I believe it's Violent Dancing as well... Atreyu1075 20:43, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

The Batman
Someone added more The Batman info to a different section in the article, I think I'll merge the two. Any objections? (I'll replace it if nessiary but I really think it doesn't need to said twice.)Claycrow 01:08, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Uh, it's been like a year now. If you're gonna do it, do it. I think you should merge them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.237.219.34 (talk) 16:57, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

New Batman Adventures or Batman TAS Picture?
I know we already have a Batman TAS picture, but a Scarecrow in later episodes, (?) or a TNBA screenshot should really be put in (?), due to the inportance of his changes. Claycrow 00:15, 22 September 2007 (UTC)


 * It makes a degree of sense, but do you have source info for where the image came from? - J Greb 00:50, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

I understand, it came from the offical NBAs website:. (You have to click the right arrow bat-symbol at the bottom of the page several times to make the screenshot change to that one.) To veiw the rest of the Batman subsite and other subsites properly, go here:. As for the Scarecrow (Batman TAS mkII), go to:, and visit Scarecrow's page, a number of screenshots are shown near the bottom of the page. If is not "Fair Use" or whatever, I can small-ify a World's Finest shot or 2 (which I assume is public domain). Claycrow 01:15, 22 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, none of the images would be PD, Warner Brothers still hold the copyright and trademarks on the characters and episodes.
 * Sourcing them for a Fair Use Rationale so the can be used in this article would need where the image file came from or how it was created... either the sites you've listed or a declaration from you that you had captured the image from video or DVD, whichever applies. It would also be good if there was an indication of which episode the various frames came from.
 * Re-reading the sections, one image only is warranted for the BTAS and TNAB sections. If the "teeth & hair" version was the more heavily used one for BTAS, then we may want to change over to an image of that. - J Greb 02:40, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

So long story short, I have to rip me own image from the DVDs, or am I misunderstanding something? The NBA's shot is from "Over the Edge".Claycrow 13:43, 22 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Not exactly. Take a looks at Image:Scarecrow BTAS.jpg and Image:TBTPKabuki2.jpg. If you've got the website and the episode, then it should be no problem to lift and upload. - J Greb 18:51, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Still Not Understanding! I'm so sorry. Are you saying that if I what episode it came from and the website it's okay or what? Claycrow 00:27, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

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Death
How did Scarecrow die during Crisis on Infinite Earths? I've read it a number f times and I don't remember that.--84.55.118.43 13:24, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

The Dark Knight
The fact of the matter is, either remove the sentence here, or previde a citation. Anyone got one? Claycrow 20:49, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Irecently saw the Dark Knight at a preview screening. He is defeated by Batman very early in the film at put away in prison. His screen time is akin to that of Count Dookus in Star Wars III. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.99.199.2 (talk) 21:09, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

You could put this there. Near the begining of The Dark knight, Scarcrow is meeting with some armed mobsters in a parking garage over a deal gone wrong. The meeting is interrupted by multiple civillians who are all dressed up in homemade Batman costumes. They are inspired by the real Batman and try to fight the gangs however they are stoped by the real Batman. A battle breaks out and Batman subdues all the criminals and fake Batmen. Scarecrow attempts to escape in a white van but Batman leaps down the garage and lands ontop of the van. Scarecrow is then subdued. He is not seen again in the rest of the film. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.108.135.105 (talk) 19:21, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Umm, just letting you all know that Dr. Jonathan Crane is seen throughout the movie, as he was at the attempted assassination of the mayor and subsequently captured by Harvey Dent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.105.126.237 (talk) 12:23, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Umm, no Crane was not at the assassination attempt and caught by Dent. That was a former patiant at Arkham. Listen to what Batman said to Dent when Dent was deciding the mans fate.

The Batman
Since Legions of Gothom is gone/down, I think the link should not be here. Or we could post an Image? Claycrow 20:49, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

History section way too long
The overly huge plot summaries of Mistress of Fear and Fear of Success are definitely not necessary. They were one shot stories with little significance to the overall character of Scarecrow. 75.152.155.200 06:59, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, it's a bit long. People should put in more pictures to string it all together, so that it has a reason to be long. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.237.219.34 (talk) 22:05, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Robotman?
I couldn't help noticing that another DC Comics character, the cyborg Robotman goes by the name of Robert Crane. Some guy named "Crane 117" noticed that too and posted it in the discussion page, but who's ever heard of Robotman? Is the name thing just a coincedence? Or is there some connection deep (deep deep) in the family tree? Feel free to comment.

It makes sense that Scarecrow would be "Crane" because of Sleepy Hollow. Cyborg superheroes have nothing in common with that. By the way, there's a Crane 117 up in the section about the image of this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.237.219.34 21:57, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Whoa, weird! I never knew that. But keep in mind, "Crane" can be a common last name. Sure, Scarecrow's surname was inspired by Ichabod Crane, but that doesn't mean Robot Man's is. (Besides, I highly doubt that Robot Man would have any relation to Jon Crane at all.)--CornfieldMannequin (talk) 21:41, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Preludes and Nocturnes
Should the appearence of Scarecrow in the Sandman story arch Preludes and Nocturnes be mentioned? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.63.203.171 (talk) 21:47, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Scarecrow on the prison boat in The Dark Knight?
I've just seen TDK for the third time and I'm sure that one of the guards on the prison boat is Jonathan Crane. Did anybody else notice? If I'm right it should be added.

When I saw it in theaters, I could've sworn it was him. But it went by so fast that now I can't be sure. I agree though.--198.237.219.34 19:00, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Lego Batman
In Lego Batman: The Videogame if you are playing as a hero and in the batcave hop on the elavator on the left and ride it up to the upper Batcave and get one the Batcomputer.One of the data items says the Scarecrow suffers from a fear of hats.Is this true,cause he wears a hat? KillerCroc101 (talk) 17:13, 26 October 2008 (UTC)KillerCroc101KillerCroc101 (talk) 17:13, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

No, you misread it. Scarecrow has a condition called "Chiropteraphobia," a fear of bats. If the computer actually says "hats," then it is a typo. My version says "bats."--198.237.219.34 (talk) 15:08, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Wait. Where did you get chiropteraphobia? The data bank says chiroptophobia. --CornfieldMannequin (talk) 23:03, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

That word is flexible. In the game and in Wikipedia they say "chiroptophobia," while the Batman Visual Dictionary and the DC Universe guide say "chiropteraphobia."--198.237.219.34 (talk) 18:29, 19 November 2008 (UTC)