Talk:Schönthal

Re Imperial abbey Infobox
On the specific point, AFAIK Schönthal was not an Imperial abbey - although if you can point to some evidence that it was, so much the better - and was therefore not a state, so an infobox for former countries is not appropriate. I am therefore removing the infobox until such time as a proper article on Schönthal Abbey is in place, setting out the evidence that Schönthal was an imperial abbey and thus a state.

You seem also to be saying (but please correct me if I have misunderstood) that your project as a matter of policy is knowingly applying infoboxes to inappropriate articles - ie, as in this case to towns which were never themselves states - instead of taking the trouble to create the appropriate articles to which your templates would fit. If this is really what you are doing you need to rethink it, as it is very misleading - not to mention lazy. HeartofaDog (talk • contribs) 16:43, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I have opened a discussion here as this article raises a couple of more general points.HeartofaDog (talk • contribs) 17:40, 18 September 2007 (UTC)


 * It prolly makes more sense to leave the discussion on the WikiProject's talk page, given it's more general than here. Regarding Schönthal being a Reichskloster, it's listed as such on List of states in the Holy Roman Empire (S) and, googling Schönthal Abbey, gives . Also de:Zisterzienserkloster Schöntal does mention Reichsunmittelbarkeit. Though now I'm confused as to whether or not this is the same Abbey.
 * I'll go to the Project's Talk page to discuss the infobox issue ;o) — OwenBlacker 19:33, 18 September 2007 (UTC)


 * There are two abbeys monasteries of very similar names: this one is Schönthal in Bavaria - not a Reichskloster. The one you are apparently thinking of is Schöntal in Baden-Württemberg, which was reichsunmittelbar for some decades in the 15th century. HeartofaDog (talk • contribs) 21:48, 18 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I've now started articles for both - which should make things clearerHeartofaDog (talk • contribs) 00:16, 19 September 2007 (UTC)


 * As for List of states in the Holy Roman Empire (S) and any other letter, those lists are badly sourced, if sourced at all, and I would not count on them being accurate. HeartofaDog (talk • contribs) 21:51, 18 September 2007 (UTC)