Talk:Scheherazade (Rimsky-Korsakov)

Adaptation
Hello guys. I hope my note will be found by someone. :)

But anyway, I just started listening to this piece, and instantly recognized the violin solo from a few bars in (roughly 35 seconds). I had recognized it from the Australian band PVT's (Formerly Pivot) song 'Artificial Horizon', which basically consists of just this solo chopped and looped with background bass. I don't know if this is important or relevent, but I thought I'd add it here anyway. Cheers. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.98.183.136 (talk) 11:00, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Hello. Yes it's mentioned on the Make Me Love You article. Thanks. RJH (talk) 14:22, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Untitled
I believe that the section describing the first four notes of this work being part of a "whole tone scale" is completely in error: The first four pitches are E, B, D and C. Alas, there is only a half step between B and C, making it an impossibility for these pitches to be part of a whole-tone-scale (which has no half steps.) The piece begins in E minor, and includes several sharp 4's which are characteristically eastern or exotic sounding in a minor key. I'm new to Wikipedia so I didn't want to edit... :)

Joaquin


 * The notes that are stressed in the opening theme (that is, the ones given strong beats or long notes) are E, D, C, A-sharp, which make up the first four notes of a descending whole-tone scale. This is the underlying structure; the other notes intervene to make the melody. Mademoiselle Fifi 12:09, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I have just listen a concert, there should be one more Trumpet but not only 2 so as one more French Horns but not only just 4.(Addaick 12:48, 1 July 2007 (UTC))

What's that footnote number one doing on this page? This is not an encyclopedic entry, it's advertisement. Would someone just delete that, please? 217.190.144.149 23:37, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

You may be raising the same issue I'm referencing in the comment about the drum and bugle corps. When I saw the article this was footnote 3, and footnote 1 was a reference to liner notes in a recorded release of the work. Arguably that's not a real solid source either, but it at least was referenced for the purpose of attributing legitimate factual details.Ftjrwrites (talk) 16:21, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Drum and bugle corps free ad?
The Santa Clara Drum and Bugle Corps reference, replete with the score they received, seems totally out of place in an encyclopedic entry. I wanted to see if anyone else agreed before I simply removed it. Yeah, my college symphony released a recording of it, too. But that reference doesn't belong on Wikipedia.Ftjrwrites (talk) 16:17, 5 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree it should be deleted.--Atavi (talk) 21:20, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Trivia and Popular Culture
There was recently a trivia notice put on the 'In Popular Culture' heading of this article which I deleted because I understood trivia to be different to popular culture in that one is miscellaneous facts that can be integrated into the rest of the article and that the other is a list of things specifically related to the references made by modern culture. But the trivia notice was put up again by another editor with no further explanation. Do editors think this section should be integrated or even removed? Storeye (talk) 09:24, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Citation needed
The following text is uncited and the fact template has twice been removed by anonymous editors:


 * This theme emphasizes four notes of a descending whole tone scale: E-D-C-A#.

My contention is that the illustration that demonstrates the theme was generated on a home computer. It is not a direct copy of a commercial score, and the copy is uncited. Per Citing sources, a source "should be cited when adding material that is challenged". If this information is valid, then a source should be available. Thank you.&mdash;RJH (talk) 01:15, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I've addressed this.&mdash;RJH (talk) 23:49, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Sche or She
The article is titled Scheherazade, yet most references in the text, including the very first word of the article, are spelt Sheherazade.

We have to decide which is the transliteration we're going to use and stick to it consistently, while also acknowledging the existence of the alternative spelling. --  Jack of Oz    ... speak! ...   09:38, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Unsourced
The following text was tagged as unsourced in 2008:


 * Sheherazade has been transcribed in its entirety and in its original key for symphonic wind ensemble by Merlin Patterson. This transcription was commissioned by the University of Houston Wind Ensemble, Tom Bennett, conductor, who gave the premiere at the Moore Opera House in Houston, Texas in April 2005.

I was unable to find a suitable citation per Identifying reliable sources, so I'm moving it to the talk page for future reference. Regards, RJH (talk) 15:53, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

La Sultane
Someone with more skill than I should change the caption of the picture "La Sultane". This is not the Sultan, it is a female (as indicated by the title, La ... e ending) and is was probably intended by the artist to be the heroine of the whole story. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.1.107.39 (talk) 22:44, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Fixed, thanks. RJH (talk) 15:19, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

¶ Changed to The Blue Sultana, the English title everywhere applied to this work.Sussmanbern (talk) 18:04, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
 * That makes sense. Thank you. Regards, RJH (talk) 21:41, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Redundancy
The following sentences appear to be essentially repeating the same information:


 * 1) According to Rimsky-Korsakov, the unifying thread consisted of the brief introductions to the first, second and fourth movements and the intermezzo in movement three, written for violin solo and delineating Scheherazade herself as telling her wondrous tales to the stern Sultan. The final conclusion of movement four serves the same artistic purpose.
 * 2) The movements were unified by the short introductions in the first, second and fourth movements, and an intermezzo in movement three. The last was a violin solo representing Sheherazade, and a similar artistic theme is represented in the conclusion of movement four.

Perhaps they can be consolidated somehow? Regards, RJH (talk) 22:47, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

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Adaptation
This "adaptation" bit makes no sense and looks like someone has pressed delete on a few lines of text by mistake:

"In 1959, bandleader Skip Martin adapted from Scheherazade the jazz album Scheherajazz (Sommerset-Records),[25] in which the lead actress, Yvonne De Carlo, was also the principal dancer. The plot of this film is a heavily fictionalized story, based on the composer's early career in the navy. He was played by Jean-Pierre Aumont."

How was there a lead actress and principal dancer in a jazz album (also a film)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.54.2.161 (talk) 18:39, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Concert performances vs recordings
Copyvio questions aside, do concert performances recorded on film/ video (and which may subsequently be uploaded to YouTube) not count as "recordings"? i.e. must recordings be limited only official vinyl albums and CDs? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:05, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
 * The guideline makes no specific mention of this, though it is somewhat implied by having the section named "Discography". Personally, I would keep it to notable vinyl/CD releases by reputable labels, as those are often held to a higher standard than recordings of concert performances. Many symphony orchestras record most of their performances, e.g. the Berliner Philharmoniker with their Digital Concert Hall, or more generally most radio symphony orchestras, and this would simply blow up every single "Recordings" section. intforce (talk) 11:17, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clarifying. I'd agree that vinyl/CD releases are often of a higher standard than concert recordings. But some notable concert performances loaded to YT have very good audio and certainly good enough for most general readers (e.g. the quality of those two examples recently removed). I think there may be a balance to be had between allowing readers to hear (and see) a performance easily and expecting them to go and search, or even have to purchase, a vinyl/CD release. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:26, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
 * If a YouTube performance is of sufficient quality and is not a copyright violation, I would welcome an inclusion in the External links section (either as a bullet point or more prominently using the External media template). In this case, the VPO recording is certainly a copyright violation, though I'm unsure about the second one (Gimnazija Kranj Symphony Orchestra). The uploader seems to be the concert director, but he might not hold the audiovisual copyright for the recording of the performance. Something like this would be fine though. intforce (talk) 11:34, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Fully agree. I was similarly pondering over the Gimnazija Kranj Symphony Orchestra (they've also done a very good one of "Stairway to Heaven!") Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:42, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Errors in musical transcriptions
Hi all. Some of the musical notation in the "Music" and "Movements" sections are incorrect, namely the Sultan theme, the Scheherezade theme, the "Sea and Sinbad's Ship" theme (same as the Sultan theme), and the Kalendar Prince theme. They all have a key signature of G major, when they are clearly composed in G minor (and the text acknowledges that fact implicitly when it talks about the fourth note in the Sultan motif being a B flat or A sharp, neither of which are in the key of G major.) Also, Rimsky-Korsakov's score has a key signature of G minor. This is the 1915 Eulenburg edition, with Russian titles and names. https://imslp.org/wiki/Special:ReverseLookup/31208 Kchwe (talk) 19:52, 24 October 2022 (UTC)


 * The first movement starts in E minor, which is reflected in the score you linked. intforce (talk) 04:01, 25 October 2022 (UTC)