Talk:Schlager music

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From the article:

"During the Second World War, the Nazi Germany Government tightly controlled the creation of music but even due to this, the genre managed to do very well."

I changed this to:

"During the Second World War, the Nazi Germany Government tightly controlled the creation of music but despite this, the genre managed to do very well."

Is this the correct sense the author meant? "even due to" isn't correct English, and it makes the sentence ambiguous - did the Nazi's approve or disapprove of this style? My change implies disapproval, but since the original sentence may have meant to say the opposite, this could be wrong. Graham 23:29, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Sample english songs?
Can we list one or two well known sample English or US singers or songs that are close to the style? - SimonLyall 03:18, 22 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Traditional Schlager often contains a fair amount of schmaltz. 惑乱 分からん 09:41, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Without knowing this point I did so yesterday (or was it the day before). Bridge Over Troubled Water is, in English language, an exemplary schlager - though one of fairly higher quality that you can regularly expect.--91.34.244.211 (talk) 16:35, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Schlag means in English beat, Heartbeat = Herzschlag. Or a hit. Schlager could mean a thing that makes a hit or makes something to a hit. Even the Germans don't know what that really means. It's a word of its own, simultaniously as it is now in English. If a German hears the word schlager, he knows: ah yes, that's this special kind of "kitschy" music. But only very few would think about the word schlag within.

Wording

 * light, pleasant, throwaway pop tunes

Is "throwaway" encyclopedic or NPOV? --198.59.190.201 17:28, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Sweden
Schlager as a music genre in Sweden is just a myth, that originated in the 1970's. "Schlager" is German for hit, and the word was used so earlier in the Swedish language. Sometimes it also was used for all kind popular music, and somtimes for older popular music, music which isn't like hard rock and heavy metal. When ABBA became popular, people begun to call their Melodifestivalen songs as "schlager". Later, artists as Elisabeth Andreassen, Shirley Clamp, Kikki Danielsson, Lotta Engberg, Carola Häggkvist and Lena Philipsson are characterized as "schlager" if the song was in Melodifestivalen, especially if the song had a "catchy" refrain. But they are just pop songs. Their other songs are seldom characterized as "schlager", even if they have that sound. If a song is performed in Melodifestivalen and the Eurovision Song Contest, many people call it schlager. Sometimes, it's also the dansband music that is characterized as "schlager" in Sweden. J 1982 23:54, 23 February 2007 (CET)


 * I agree, I've never heard songs like Fångad av en stormvind and Diggi-Loo Diggi-Ley described as "Schlager". The Swedish section should be cut.Bdell555 07:26, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Category:Schlager vs Category:Schlager Musicians
Hello, maintainers of this article. Could anyone more familiar with this topic look into something for me?

At the AfD discussion for List of Schlager musicians, the consensus was found to delete the list and replace it with a category, which makes great sense. An editor rightly pointed out that Category:Schlager already exists. Is there a reason why this category shouldn't be Category:Schlager musicians, following the already established pattern (for comparison, see Category:Blues musicians. Perhaps in German, the word "musician" is already implied in the world schlager. Any input would be appreciated.  A  Train ''talk 19:41, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Hungary
Well, I'm a bit into pop music from other countries (I'm German myself), and I have to say that Hungarian "pop" music resembles schlager a LOT. There's one evident example I have, Baby Gabi. This is music you would expect on relaxed weekend TV shows interrupted by cooking actions, etc. Maybe someone is Hungarian here? This music is very close to German (modern) schlager and if you gave that German lyrics, you could let them get sung by Mary Roos or Gaby Baginsky, for example. -andy 84.149.115.196 (talk) 00:47, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

USSR
In the USSR the word шлягер was not a name of genre but a kind of synonyme for hit. Phrase the song became a shlager is quite common. Is this meaning present in any other countries? KonstKaras (talk) 11:34, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

good source
--Espoo (talk) 12:03, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

No history?
--Buggwiki (talk) 00:54, 11 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm wondering too.2001:16B8:4654:7100:FC43:4C41:A880:CAD6 (talk) 16:18, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Southeastern Europe
The article reads....and Southeast Europe, (in particular Germany,[1] Austria, Albania, the Netherlands, Flanders, Republic of Macedonia, Slovenia, Serbia, Croatia, Poland, Hungary, Switzerland, Turkey, Scandinavia and the Baltic States)... As far as I am concerned, Germany, the Ntherlands, Flanders, Poland, Switzerland, Scandinavia and the Baltic States aren't located in Southeastern Europe. Plus why is Flanders even in this list since it is not an independent country, but a region in Belgium? Norum 14:23, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Date of origin? At least 1940's or older...
The article currently says "since it originated in 1956," but this seems doubtful, as I'm reading a WWII diary (A Woman in Berlin) about the fall of Berlin, and it talks about the Russian soldiers drinking and "singing a schlager". Surely the translator did not just invent a new word, here... 67.198.37.16 (talk) 02:38, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 * The year 1956 refers to the start date of the Eurovision Song Contest, not the music style. I've clarified the wording.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:01, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Ah thanks! 67.198.37.16 (talk) 06:16, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

"The style emerged in Europe after the Second World War, partly as a backlash against American rock and roll." That's not true. Schlager existed before rock and roll. "The German word Schlager (itself a calque of the English word hit) (...)". That's also not true. The word Schlager was first used in 1867 in a Vienna newspaper. I have that from "Schlager" in the German Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:16B8:5CBD:3300:F98E:4C9:D7B0:FBF3 (talk) 02:39, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

german schlager
"Germans view schlager as their country music." In Germany, schlager and "Volksmusik" (country music) have common roots, but they are not identical.. "...and American country and Tex-Mex music are both major elements in schlager culture." This is unfortunately completely wrong. The accordion plays almost no role in the Schlager music, for example.--Zibaldone (talk) 21:38, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Origins wrong
According to the german article on schlager, the schlager is much older than the second world war, and also the word schlager is not a "calque".--345Kai (talk) 22:03, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I took out the part discussed in the first part of your post. It made even less sense when you look at it..."as a response to rock and roll" which didn't exist then. North8000 (talk) 22:21, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Why No Audio Clips?
I am accustomed to visiting Wikipedia pages about musical genres, artists, albums, songs, instrumentation, et al. and finding short audio clip widgets so I can hear what the text attempts to describe. I would consider these to be of particular importance on musical genre pages since one or more good examples in audio format would be of much greater assistance than mere text to those who are unfamiliar. Imagine a Wikipedia page about the color red that describes wavelengths and whatnot and gives examples of red-colored things but lacks a picture in the upper right that is simply colored red. Now I have to poke around YouTube to discover what Schlager is and I've already wasted enou 2600:1700:5DD0:3E40:C141:125F:ACB8:BA1E (talk) 14:23, 5 July 2021 (UTC)