Talk:School/Archive 1

A schools template
I no schools arent a pretty tough issue on Wikip at the moment but I don't think this should mean they couldn't be a little more organ. I've made a draft Template:School which borrows heavily from Template:University information. I havn't tried implementing the template anywhere yet. Comments and Suggestions please? LukeSurl 23:22, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually I have just tried it out on my own School.LukeSurl 00:12, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)

this looks better, although its only for aust. schools. Could be edited for other countries. this is it:

Click edit up top to view it. Info is for my current school. Hamedog 14:28, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

History
This article is barely more then a stub. I'd like to see something on the history of the schools. --130.49.219.102 16:50, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

School students image
Image:jpg is used in many articles about schools, it would be best to find a replacement before it is deleted for lack of source and copyright. If we all look together we should find one in no time. Please post your responses at Image talk:Moanaluastudents.jpg. Thanks! Foofy 21:04, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

I too came to the site in order to know about the history of schooling, especially its modern history. That what was unimaginable -- the forced removal of children from the family for a good portion of the daylight hours -- two centuries ago is now normative practice across the globe, begs some explanation which relates it minimally to (a) the emergence of modern nationstates, (b) "the growing middle classes" (read ´capitalism´) and (c) kinship relations. Simply speaking of the manner in which modern schools are derived from past models does not answer the question "Why?" they have taken such central import in modern societies. (Currently I am in Brazil with a Presidential election in full swing. It is amazing to see the manner in which "educação" is invoked as a cure-all, is invoked in order to project the possibility of a ´better future´. Schools, in this manner are central to the ideological machinery of the modern neo-liberal nationstate, since they mystify class inequalities. A good analysis of the history of schooling would not be blinded into a recapitulation of our own naturalizations of "education" as an end in and of itself. While learning how many planets there are (though that changed this week), or what the capital of Vietnam is, does have a "value" it is clear that this is not the "end" of schools. On the contrary public schooling is concerned to socialize children into the recognition of authority figures outside of the kingroup. In this light the history of schooling institutions needs to be understood as in an inverse relationship -- diachronically -- to the waning of the institution of kinship, and as really related to it. In other words, the nationstate gains its strength through the disintegration of the (at first, extended, now even the nuclear) family. All apologies for the polemic but I hope it helps to motivate someone to write a history of schooling which addresses the wider implications of the existence of such an institution on society. [Note the presupposition of schools. Namely that the family is not capable of socially reproducing itself.]) LF

Pro school site list
doesn't really defend the way school is, such as the two school searches or free pictures for school. shouldn't the pro-school thing be for websites defending the way school is? JakeV 15:03, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Image:High school students.jpg
While these students are in a school building, it is misleading to have this on the page here, as many readers will come away with the impression that these students are actually "going to school" that is they are in a classroom learning the normal curriculum. This was, instead, an exceptional event not representative of what a "school" is like in general, and in an auditorium, not representative of a school classroom. This image should be omitted from this article. -- Centrx 01:58, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

To-do suggestion
I notice this is the collaboration of the week, and I'd like to suggest something. There are 2 things this article needs, that I see. The first is info about the history of schools, and the second is information about the controversy over schools that is present in the external links, but no where else in the article. --tjstrf 03:37, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Whatever happened to the content?
I was editing this article, and I realized that even with more than 500 edits, it still has almost no actual content. Could somebody with an hour or so of free time look through the history and see if there was ever any other content? I find it hard to believe that an article with this many edits could have so little information...Ahudson 18:52, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I had a very quick look, which would suggest that a lot of the information previously contained in this article was tangential to the subject. Its history is composed of about 90% vandalism and reverts. Here are some examples of what it looked like previously:
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=School&oldid=51048028
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=School&oldid=31640580
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=School&oldid=8895252
 * Much of that material, I suspect, is now covered in education, which is the redirect of "education system".
 * It also appears that the photo is periodically replaced by editors with a different one from their own country. What I mean to say is, editors have been bringing biased content from their own realm to the article. - User:Samsara (talk • contribs) 19:01, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Locus vs. organisation
Do people feel that if the focus of this article is to be the physical place of learning, that schools that span several cities (as many schools aka universities now do) should still be included in the scope of this article? It also seems to me that in the university setting, the term "school" is as flexible as "college" (which can mean a high school, hall of residence, or faculty), and carries no more meaning than any other buzzword.

Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=School&diff=57563497&oldid=57463750

User:Samsara (talk • contribs) 19:47, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It was an attempt by me to start some editing on this COTW -- to give us more of an initial focus rather than just a forum for edit wars over the concept of organized schooling vs. homeschooling. It seems to be working for now, but I have nothing against broadening the article to be more complete. - Davodd 23:07, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

POV and Islamic schools
History of education contains reference to many schooling systems that pre-date the Islamic system described here as the only example of an early school. It's unclear what that content means by "in the modern sense" and the language is too enthusiastic to really be considered neutral. (Though the information it presents is certainly quite interesting.) -- Beland 23:40, 16 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree. Remember, The Arabs who spread Islam conquered the most civilised regions and therefore had Greek, Bablyonian ad Roman knowlegde, even with Alexandria's library burnt down. And it's definetly not neutral. Tourskin 23:44, 24 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Got the info to prove Islam was not the first culture to have a school. Referencing from Traditions and Encounters by Jerry H Bentley and Herb F Ziegler, volume 1, "...at least primary shcool education...this school functioned almost continuosly from its founding 425 C.E. until the end of the Byzantine empire one thousand..." Islam arrived at 630's CE.Tourskin 22:33, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Suggestion for Hidden Curriculum
In the interests of neutrality (and critical inquiry), I recommend that a "See Also" link be added to the Hidden curriculum page.

I also feel like it might merit a small excerpted section, but that can come later. Is this ok? Carsonc 20:28, 14 September 2006 (UTC)


 * You have this article confused with schooling - which is in the article Education. - Davodd 06:14, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

This should be mentioned
It should be mentioned that there has been a) biased teaching methods and b) whether or not the public school system is the correct way to do it. It has been argued that being forced to attend school is very difficult for creative people.
 * Nope. Wrong article - that belongs in Education. Davodd 06:11, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Islamic schools
I'm afriad that even western society beat Islamic culture to the formation of schools - according to Wikipedia's article on Madrasah's, the first Madrasah was founded sometime in the mid 9th century AD. Sure enough, there was some type of schooling in the Roman empire at the time, centred in Constantinople.Tourskin 06:24, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Why can't I edit the school page
I think that I should be able to talk about school!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bubblegum9898 (talk • contribs) 17:44, 26 April 2007 (UTC).

Pictures
Perhaps a picture of from an elite western university should be added to add to the variety, image-wise?


 * Yeah, disappointed in that this article only has pictures from Third World Countries... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bkkeim2000 (talk • contribs) 00:50, 12 April 2007 (UTC).

Also, I think the picture presented for the "Australian school" is perhaps an inaccurate representation of most primary and secondary schools in Australia. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

Zenith Whybourne
No-one hates school like Zenith Wybourne. Shouldn't Zenith Whybourne should be mentioned somewhere? —The preceding

124.197.50.143 14:17, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Assessment
I am giving this article an assessment for WikiProject Schools. This is possibly the most important article for this project, so I am giving it top importance. Needs a lot of work with improved referencing and NPOV issues resolved. Some sections like "School health services" need to be summarised and others like "Schools in popular culture" expanded. Camaron1 | Chris 11:56, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

dont go 2 st martines skool greenacers adelaide
speaking as a student i think st martines sux! they dont under stand the needs of a child.

if the princable was a judge many lives would be taken away because of her(mrs d,aloia) the skool should be shut down......... whos with me!!!!!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dunlopgal (talk • contribs) 10:25, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

German Schools and Universities
I don't know how to write that but I think the paragraph about the difference between schools and universities in germany is wrong: We have Hochschulen (literally "High schools") which is an umbrella term and refers to both, universities and "Fachhochschulen", which are some kind of colleges or, as they call themselves, "universities of applied sciences". But even though they are called "Hochschulen", they are actually considered universities.

Also, people who go to school, in germany are always called "Schüler" ("pupils"), in contrast to people who go to a university or "Fachhochschule" who are both called "Studenten" ("students"). &mdash; Tauriel-1 ( ☎ ) 16:39, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Question about the school system
I have another question:

In germany we have elementary schools ("Grundschulen") for grades 1–4 and three kinds of schools for grades 5–&hellip;: After 4th grade (or after 6th grade in some german states) pupils and their parents have to choose a kind of school. I think this wasn't mentioned in this article, neither could I find out if such a parallel system exists in any other country. If anyone knows, I think it would be good if it would either be mentioned in this article or another article be written about different school systems in different countries. (I would start the article but I have no idea how and umder which title.) &mdash; Tauriel-1 ( ☎ ) 16:39, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * "Hauptschulen", kind of primary schools for grades 5–9,
 * "Realschulen", kind of basic secondary schools for grades 5–10, and
 * "Gymnasien" (in germany), kind of advanced secondary schools for grades 5–12, or 5–13 (depending on the state).

I found it, it's in Secondary education or, regarding the german system, Education in Germany. Still, I would like to have a sort of table to list the differences and similarities. &mdash; Tauriel-1 ( ☎ ) 17:37, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Restructure
I selected two sections which I believe I am very informed about and separated and turned them into three more specific sections: Public/Private Schools and Boarding School,Components of Most Schools, and Security Measures after Devastations. I took School Size & Structure gave it a few citations and re-structured it so it was more uniform and flowed more smoothly. These were necessary because the section was very choppy and seemed like it was a list. The second section Ii was a hard tid bit of information that i added and added some citations. These were needed because there are very few citations throughout the article and because the name of the section was not related to the information discussed in the section. emerrifi —Preceding comment was added at 17:49, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

School results day
In the UK, they have a day when they go into their school (I think) and get there results, is there an article of this? This also should be mentioned in the article, to an extent. Liquinn (talk) 17:14, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

First Sentence seems odd. Yes it is.
"A school [...] is an institution tal-hara designed to allow and encourage students (or "pupils") to learn, under the supervision of teachers." That is stupid! why don't they just trust the kids to do whatever they want! its not like anybody will be a nonsence !!! that is sooooo *** stupid!! Is there some way to re-phrase this so it sounds a little less "School is where you go to learn things"? I'm not sure how to re-phrase it myself, but I'm sure there's some way. The article on Cheese manages to not come across as stating the obvious. Perhaps something like the following. Like:

"School [...] is an institution in which students (or "pupils") are educated in topics determined by the culture, or social group. In Private American school institutions this may be a Church, while mandatory Public American scholastic institutional topics are wholly determined by the state." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.124.155.186 (talk) 15:16, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Why would the first sentence immediately flow into a parochial reference to a type of found in the USA? Markb (talk) 13:00, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

"Supervision" is what teachers do on the playground; "direction" is what they give in the classroom. Changing the sentence to "A school is an institution designed for the teaching of students (or "pupils") under the direction of teachers." FreedomWorks! (talk) 02:16, 27 June 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.170.33.36 (talk) school is a good place to learn. it just depends where you go — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harryanator (talk • contribs) 02:01, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

School in Asia?
Just wondering if we should have a subcategory for the meaning of school for Asian/Third World countries since we have the different school systems for Europe, North America, US, etc. I feel like this will eliminate the apparent/perceived Eurocentric bias that some articles might have. For example, for the Asian school system, we might mention the cultural history of how a traditional academy was perceived? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.234.135.238 (talk) 18:56, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Tiny edits by a random
Not a regular editor, but a couple of tiny things irked me, so I changed them. One was a typo, but the second adjusted content slightly. The bullying bit finishes on a very peculiar note, but before it rather implied that bullying led to suicide almost by default. I tidied up the wording, but I think the point could still be expressed better through a more detailed analysis. School was a word used by the latins to express how badly they felt at the time.

UK terms
the term middle school is missing, age 7 or 8 to 11 or 12 (varies by region/county), which overlaps primary (junior) and secondary, often used in areas where there are lots of primary (infants) (age 4 or 5 to 11 or 12) schools; also missing Key Stages - a method of classifying the attainment levels expected for particular age groups in a co-ordinated curiculum Carollong (talk) 03:27, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

The definition of school is entirely opinionated. School definitely does NOT encourage learning —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.244.121.87 (talk) 00:45, 10 December 2008 (UTC)  in new zealand kids started in grade one not in prep

Links

 * Correct - adding links is not vandalism. My bad. However, adding a link to the same site from multiple pages - http://rise.f2o.org - is considered linkspam and is against Wikipedia policy. Cheers. --PhilipO 18:46, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

the hindi interwikilink given is wrong
correct link is विद्यालय —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

first sentence
This is a technicality, but many educators would not agree with the implication that students learn from teachers. (Teachers don't just dispense information) I would change it to "A school is an institution where students (or "pupils") learn with the help of a teacher." but this sounds better: "A school is an institution where teachers help students (or "pupils") learn." Does anyone agree this might be a more technically correct description of what happens at schools?

Yes I would agree that students no longer learn from teachers but I would phrase that by saying "A school is an institution where student learning is facilitated by teachers" or "A school is an institution where teachers facilitate students' learning". I don't teach English so feel free to correct any grammar. Sarahmc92 (talk) 21:12, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

--70.122.223.201 (talk) 23:31, 25 July 2012 (UTC)--70.122.223.201 (talk) 23:31, 25 July 2012 (UTC)[[File: Big text
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Heading textItalic text
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"A typical school entrance building in Australia" is a bad caption for the picture, for one its not a "typical" school entrance

I agree, i believe that a school should focus on the factors of life such as how to make friends, discuss about family,discuss about health, and the other subjects.

I believe teachers should teach because they love their priority as a teacher and so they should like teaching.

post plz

NPOV -- Student stress in school
I deleted the following sentences from the sub-section 'Stress':

Not to mention the pressure on the students! In school, they are judged mercilessly based on sparse test grades, The dreaded Standardized Tests, and their peers.

These sentences are POV. Please refer to WP:NPOV. The stress on students is an important topic that should probably be included in this section. However, it should be written from a NPOV standpoint with references to studies linking stress and school or studies/experiments that prove stress exists. While we all know students do undergo stress in school, from an encyclopaedic point of view it needs to be backed up with verifiable references and sources to document that it indeed does exist. Josborne2382 22:56, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Reguarding stress, the section only covers it from the teachers' point of view, which means it's not neutral. I moved the POV tag to that section and as a little girl i knew school was going to be boring for me because i was smarter then the avrege girl/3rd grader. --Pwnage8 (talk) 22:19, 2 March 2008 (UTC)


 * As far as the stress thing goes, I was gonna say the same thing. My first thought upon reading that subsection was, "EXCUSE ME? This is about how stressful it is for the teachers??? THE TEACHERS??? Omfg..." My first thought upon reading the "Discipline" subsection was, "Hey! This is only from the teachers' point of view! WHAT ABOUT THE STUDENTS??!! :'(" As a student who has had an extremely stressful semester, I found it very belittling to see not a single mention of how students might view this whole thing.
 * Another thought I had while adding this to the talk page was, "AT LEAST THE TEACHERS GET PAID! AND IF THEY DON'T LIKE IT, THEY CAN GET A NEW JOB! I DON'T HAVE A CHOICE! (And I've never received a paycheck for coming to school, have you?)" Obviously, no one should ever, EVER, add that to the article. 72.39.148.218 (talk) 04:51, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

This omitted that 16 to 18 year olds typically go to colleges (studying "A" levels or other advanced level course for 2 years) after leaving school. Some secondary schools/ grammar schools offer a sixth form for 16 and 17 year olds allowing them to study "A" levels whilst remaining at school (instead of going to college). A typical route (among various other routes) could be Primary School (infant school and junior schools often on the same site), Secondary school (age 11 to 16), college (generally age 16 to 18), University (generally 18 years plus). Note that Universities are often made up of Schools (referring to subject areas) and sometimes colleges (which groups of students will belong to). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.111.5.141 (talk) 20:17, 31 May 2008 (UTC) HOLA MIS AMIGOS!!! XD —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.253.238.73 (talk) 18:35, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree in my schooling days I was constantly under pressure to get good grades and If I didn't I would get into the biggest trouble ever. from the Wikipedia cleaner. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.100.93.66 (talk) 01:39, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

School structure
Should the artice be reworked to shift it's focus towards the typical structure of the school and education process? I believe yes, because article that mentions cafeteria as a part of the school yet says almost nothing about the grades etc seems to be rather uninformative and even misleading ArchSaur (talk) 15:51, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Problem is determining what is typical. These questions should be covered in depth in articles about particular countries or kinds of schools, and only lightly referred to in this article, mainly for the purpose of linking.  That also goes for cafeterias, incidentally, which get too much attention here.  Jim.henderson (talk) 01:54, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Croatian interwiki
Please can administrators add Croatian interwiki. Thanks.--Vhorvat (talk) 04:22, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Škola
 * ✅ -- zzuuzz (talk) 18:59, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Wrong aims...
Why does the article not mention about the schools in Singapore, blah blah blah.. all those nations that have hyper good education systems? I believe it is more important than just saying about some schools(types). I came to the article to see how they think about the importance of a school. No school is typical though. That American school entrance photo,it is wrong, very wrong. Please change the caption to something more unique please.Something like,

" A school entrance in the city that never sleeps. "

Please change this. This affects the entire article's meaning of truth.

I am not established
Please change the redirect to the original content —Preceding unsigned comment added by TehLickitung (talk • contribs)
 * Yes check.svg Done Thank you.&mdash;C45207 | Talk 04:28, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
 * You're very welcome, and I really thank the established user who changed the redirect to the original content! --Lickitung comma Teh (Speak) 03:46, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

stress
its true that both students and teachrs have to face stress during learning process but we can't take it in negative sense this stress force them to work hard 'to improve their abilities and much more without it students and even teachers will be lazy and theirefficiency will be affected —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.152.24.35 (talk) 16:50, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

all the sights are..... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.237.227.137 (talk) 20:37, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

children born after Sept 1
Are there any school that accept children born after Sept 1? If so which ones. What is the reason for the Sept 1 cut off date? Please advise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.123.139.107 (talk) 02:26, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Edit request from FinalRapture, 25 May 2010
There are 2 school infoboxes in the article, one should be removed.

FinalRapture (talk) 19:03, 25 May 2010 (UTC)


 * ✅ Thanks! - EdoDodo  talk 19:08, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

REAL ETYMOLOGY OF SCHOOL
Term "School", Schule, Schola,... comes from Hebrew Yahwistic occult teaching about "Sh'ol"; which was brought / implemented later into Jesuit Yahwistic / Christian Schools in Europe and Russia. We know that 1. schools were religious. Sh'ol was inspired by old Egyptian secret occult Osiris school called "Tuat" or "Duat". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.58.155.255 (talk) 13:03, 27 October 2010 (UTC) school is the gayest invention ever, I think its gay because you have to work. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.19.187.61 (talk) 21:01, 25 November 2010 (UTC) school is also known to be very boring and gay, also some kids suicide from the bordom —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.2.84.33 (talk) 02:25, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

School isn't a miracle
The people have done many great things before school was considered "extremely important", and is mainly a source of child emotional abuse instead of qualifiable education due to the fact most "education" is repeated year after year. --Puggie4276 (talk) 22:16, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Edit request for two inaccuracies
There is a section on 'academies', in which the text refers to 'academys' - incorrect spelling. Also, Welsh schools are not inspected by OfSTED, but by 'Estyn' the Welsh Schools Inspectorate.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rachel blakemore (talk • contribs) 13:49, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

✅ Richard-of-Earth (talk) 20:35, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Bias
This article predominantly seems to address the work of educators... the hardships of the professional school teacher. There is hardly a reference to the pupils place in Schooling or for that matter the place of school Administration. I am not sure if this article was simply written by a miffed teacher, or if there was legitimate blindness to the entirety of the educational community. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.145.150.178 (talk) 23:05, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 4 June 2012
The term Early Childhood relates to children within the age ranges of new born to third grade. This encompasses kindergarten and pre-school to suck dicks and become sluts! Kathyrb (talk) 23:47, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Kathyrb (talk) 23:47, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * What specifically do you want to change? That is, change x to y? -- Neil N   talk to me  00:37, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 5 October 2012
217.71.180.22 (talk) 06:32, 5 October 2012 (UTC)school tal hara
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 14:52, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

This article fails in a number of major ways
I would like to see a more coherent discription of the history of education. As this article stands, Nov. 2012, it jumps from primary to secondary education as if there is no difference. It also ignores the question of what proportion of any population was provided (and made use of) an educational establishment. Literacy is not a prominent part of this, either. Shame. I should be able to tell you, based on this article, what the average number of years of schooling are for each country in the world (per capita). I should be refered to the standardized tests comparing scholastic achievement across the globe. Instead there is almost totally irrelevant material about stress, bullying, yet nothing about the sexual predation that African girls face. This article seems to have been written by a US soccer mom whos only information is USA Today. It comes across as unbalanced and hysterical. Specific questions that should be answered: What proportion of the world (per capita and per country) really provide all of their children with primary and secondary education? What is the literacy rates? What is the distribution of total years of schooling by continent and region? Because the world is as it is, this information should (perhaps) be provided based on sex of the child, too. How does education comply with and discriminate against basic (UN defined) human rights to gender equality, ethnic and religious equality, etc. ? I thought it is a fact (I am no historian) that religion played a major role in schooling. Yet it seems to have been marginalized here. This article needs to remove some of the topical content, and add more balance. Funding, differences in goals, differences in needs are all given short shrift.216.96.77.238 (talk) 19:36, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

No criticism section
Why do both the unschooling and home schooling pages merit criticism and yet this page does not? This is clear bias. Criticism should be included proportional to what is seen on those pages. Logan Tanner (talk) 16:19, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Cpuld not agree more. This article needs a criticism section. It's like totally not fair because people have a diversity of opinions on it and it is like a totally controversial article man. There should be at least some criticism in here. I mean like this is totally biased and shit.

I must say I agree that this article needs a serious overhaul. I mean it does not seem to have a criticism section and this makes it even more biased than it would be anyway. It just is not fair the way it is written.

Criticism Section
There should be a criticism section on this article, because it is common for Wikipedia articles to have a criticism section, and school is a deeply controversial institution. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.70.231.172 (talk) 12:08, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

List of the oldest schools in the world
Comments would be appreciated at Talk:List of the oldest schools in the world. Chengdu Shishi High School is on the same site as a school that is more than 2,000 years old. It has been removed and added by several editors in the past. There's a discussion about whether it deserves inclusion. --Lo2u (T • C) 12:02, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Compulsory Schooling
To my dismay, this article is locked, so that it will not be enhanced. Some kind spirit, apparently a human capable of thought, added a "citation needed" tag to the statement that schooling would often be compulsory. The opposite is true. While many nations pronounce a metaphorical duty to attendance which may be avoided, only a few totalitarian regimes like those of Northern Korea, China or the Federal Republic of Germany go as far as blackmailing parents or abducting children for the profit of a so-called "educational" system, known as "schools". The Citizen of the Republic of France Andre Stern for example had feeling parents and has so managed to grow up unharmed. The large discrepancies in the measure of violence a schooling system will apply against children deserve a paragraph. Who locked this article, and are they biased, i.e. under the direct command of a "school board", a "government" or similar authoritarian institutions? Please unlock it. SjVp4IM (talk) 16:01, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

I believe that all article's are put there by teachers and that is stupid from the Wikipedia cleaner.

Semi-protected edit request on 6 April 2015
I would like to make it clearer that school is lieing and constantly editing these articles. School is made for death and deserves to have the truth about it known commonly.

86.191.86.60 (talk) 16:41, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

I would like to make it clear that school is not telling the truth. This place is not made for learning!

86.191.86.60 (talk) 16:41, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 September 2015
School Sucks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:301:77B4:EBD0:B852:B021:8AD9:75B7 (talk) 17:31, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 September 2015
School is not good at all you can die due to fucking teachers

I would like permission to edit school as I found an error

SgtSwaggy (talk) 23:42, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Cannolis (talk) 00:53, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

no
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa– — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.213.170.199 (talk) 18:21, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

A group of aura school students are raising money for there school! It is called Bucks for Brains! make donations Now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 50.166.138.247 (talk) 19:52, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 March 2016
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Semi-protected edit request on 30 April 2016
Found the citation for this segment (Just copy paste the markup): Islam was another culture that developed a school system in the modern sense of the word. Emphasis was put on knowledge, which required a systematic way of teaching and spreading knowledge, and purpose-built structures. At first, mosques combined both religious performance and learning activities, but by the 9th century, the Madrassa was introduced, a proper school that was built independently from the mosque. They were also the first to make the Madrassa system a public domain under the control of the Caliph. The Nizamiyya madrasa is considered by consensus of scholars to be the earliest surviving school, built towards 1066 AD by Emir Nizam Al-Mulk.

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Semi-protected edit request on 2 November 2016
A school falls into three main categories which reflect the cultural viewpoints, values, and future investments of nations for an anticipated multiplier effect of return on investment: 1.	Tax subsidized tuition which offers free education from childhood to university. 2.	Tax subsidized tuition which offers free education from childhood through secondary school. 3.	School available on ability to pay tuition to a private entity or government.

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Addition to School Page- Africa
Hi! We've done some research about the use of the term school in Africa. Here's what we found, let us know what you think!

In Western Africa, the term school can refer to “bush” schools, Quranic schools, or apprenticeships. These schools include formal and informal learning.

Bush schools are training camps that pass down cultural skills, traditions, and knowledge to their students. Bush schools are semi similar to traditional western schools because they are separated from the larger community. These schools are located in forests outside of the towns and villages, and the space used is solely for these schools. Once the students have arrived in the forest, they are not allowed to leave until their training is complete. Visitors are absolutely prohibited from these areas. Instead of being separated by age, Bush schools are separated by gender. Women and girls are not allowed to enter the territory of the boys’ bush school and vice versa. Boys receive training in cultural crafts, fighting, hunting, and community laws among other subjects. Girls are trained in their own version of the boys’ bush school. They practice domestic affairs such as cooking, childcare, as well as how to be a good wife. Their training is focused on how to be a proper woman by societal standards.

Qur’anic schools are the principle way of teaching the Quran and knowledge of the Islamic faith. These schools also fostered literacy and writing during the time of colonization. Today, the emphasis is on the different levels of reading, memorizing, and reciting the Quran. Attending a Qur’anic school is how children become recognized members of the Islamic faith. Children often attend state schools and a Qur’anic school. In Mozambique, specifically, there are two kinds of Qur’anic schools. They are the tariqa based and the Wahhabi based schools. What makes these schools different is who controls them. Tariqa schools are controlled at the local level while the Wahhabi are controlled by the Islamic Council. Within the Qur’anic school system, there are levels of education. They range from a basic level of understanding, called chuo and kioni in local languages, to the most advanced which is called ilimu. Congrats in finishing this page now find a better search web site.

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Semi-protected edit request on 12 October 2019
Suggestion: In the first sentence delete "the teaching of".

Justification: The sentence is now neutral as to how learning occurs. Otherwise it implies that learning occurs because of teaching, which doesn't reflect the current views in pedagogy or neuroscience. The other way to interpret the sentence if these three words are not deleted is that schools are institutions where teaching occurs but not necessarily learning. RobinDenver (talk) 07:03, 12 October 2019 (UTC)


 * ❌. Presumably the teachers are doing something.  In any case, a change like this should probably be discussed first, and sources would likely be asked for to support those claims.  –Deacon Vorbis (carbon &bull; videos) 13:09, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

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On the school-books must be printed ..
"Физико-математические формулы" для "ВУЗ"-ов. А далее - для детей " в переваримом дитём виде ".

"Все формулы хороши!

Выбирай поширше !! ))) .. 176.59.210.30 (talk) 04:50, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Please use English on the English-language Wikipedia. Doanri (talk) 15:33, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 August 2020
I would like to request more facts about school, since this topic is very important KarmenTheVentor (talk) 15:43, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 6 October 2020
hi can i make osme ajdust ments Frickyouhecker (talk) 13:05, 6 October 2020 (UTC)


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First Sentence Change
Its total bullshit

of teacher (or "pupils") under the direction of students." to "A school is a bad place to go they kill your kid it is by austin/tate where both teachers and pupils gain and share there knowledge." Regards, Paul Simbeck-Hampson (http://simbeckhampson.com) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simbeckhampson (talk • contribs) 09:58, 9 October 2012 (UTC) 1.institution for teaching children: an institution in which children and teenagers are taught, usually up to the age of 17, or a building housing such an institution 2.university-level institution: a college or university 3.department specializing in an academic subject: a faculty, department, or institution that offers specialized instruction in an academic subject

The first sentence in this comment should be taken responsible. schools should add gaming to there curriculums everywhere. from the Wikipedia cleaner. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.100.93.66 (talk) 01:43, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 December 2020
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Semi-protected edit request on 27 January 2021
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Semi-protected edit request on 15 May 2021
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Semi-protected edit request on 7 September 2021
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Semi-protected edit request on 12 November 2021
74.67.222.119 (talk) 19:23, 12 November 2021 (UTC) school is bad and it can die in a hole
 * I'm sorry you feel like that, but unfortunately Wikipedia isn't the best place to express the feeling. This text isn't going to be incorporated into the article. I hope you find somewhere else where you can discuss the merits of school or otherwise. Good luck. Elemimele (talk) 19:27, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

History of School
This article was a great insight to the history of schools, it's many types and varying features such as surveillance. The photos in this article were a nice addition. Additional photos of the inside of school could help inform readers. -- AmariHau (talk) 00:45, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Mathematic
English 41.116.154.46 (talk) 16:54, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Vitality?
Can someone please explain why this article is only level 3 and not level 5? PerryPerryD Talk To Me 15:16, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

"Learning" is a main category; "school" or "schooling" should be sub categories
This makes the important distinction between desired ends and possible means of achieving that end. But "learning" is also a means to the end of being able to solve problems, the final goal being to achieve optimal conditions of life. Janosabel (talk) 23:03, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

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Removal of required citations banner
I have added the necessary sources and citations. TomRichomme (talk) 14:26, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I've reverted your removal of the maintenance template as there are still lots of unsourced statements in the article. Cordless Larry (talk) 16:18, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
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 * It should be easy enough to spot where by the lack of inline references. Examples include most of the "History and development" section, the final paragraph of the "Europe" section, the whole of the "Ownership and operation" section, and so on. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:11, 14 June 2023 (UTC)