Talk:School bus/Move discussion

Page Moves have Consequences
Before you dismantle a page, you should look to what's pointing to it. In this case, hundreds of wikipedia articles about American School buses. The country redirect does not mention American School Buses once. Fix the underlying pages if you wish to claim the top level topic for a global view Slywriter (talk) 15:10, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Agreed. This was a bad move and a bad subsequent redirect change. --Pinchme123 (talk) 17:23, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I by no means agree with my change I've said that from the start however I don't agree with it pointing to an American article only either, Revert the page move, Get this and the redirects discussed and solved, That really is the only way to resolve this. – Davey 2010 Talk 20:29, 22 January 2020 (UTC)


 * care to account for this uncivil edit summary? . Glad you reverted while discussion is ongoing. --Pinchme123 (talk) 20:43, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Nope because there was nothing uncivil about it, I do account for the stupid typos tho that I apologise for,
 * It's not [up] me to discuss something that should've been discussed in the first place and I stand by that statement and I still 110% stand by my typo-filled statement too, Thanks. – Davey 2010 Talk 20:48, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Beginning an edit summary with "Tough shit" and then shouting about how you have no intention of discussing the situation is absolutely uncivil. See WP:ESDONTS: Use neutral language, Remain calm, and Don't be aggressive. --Pinchme123 (talk) 20:56, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
 * It's his second aggressive edit summary on the topic. Next one I report since others asking for him to acknowledge the rudeness has been met with indifference Slywriter (talk) 22:09, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Here's the link to ANI so why don't you fuck off there and report me, Otherwise quit shit stirring, Ignore the lame edit summary and lets discuss the real fucking problem at hand, Could I also point for one second we're all on the same side here ? .... We're all unhappy with the move so like I said lets stop this bullshit and lets get the real issue resolved. – Davey 2010 Talk 00:16, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Re-direct aside, the entire guts of what a school bus is, why they exist, what color the are, etc is in the NA article. The Country article lacks basic details of school buses and focuses on several countries that don't even use school buses. So any attempt to make this global needs to start with... Are school buses actually global? And do they actually need their own page? Or can everything be summarized nicely in one article? Slywriter (talk) 04:06, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
 * the entire guts of what a school bus is, why they exist, what color the are, etc is in the NA article. This is why I think it's in this case acceptable for the content of "School bus" to be NA-focused. Looking at that talk page's archive, the international information was spun out into its own article because, in the case of this specific subject, it makes sense for the general article to be NA focused and the small-but-just-common-enough international examples are just numerous enough to warrant their own pages. Sometimes a topic really is NA focused. --Pinchme123 (talk) 04:30, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Request to revert undiscussed move
There was a request to revert this recent undiscussed move at WP:RM/TR where several editors agreed that the article should be moved back to school bus and then discussed. Such requests are normally accepted automatically. However, moved that discussion to Talk:School buses in North America without first reverting the title change. I've reverted the nascent discussion, temporarily, at Talk:School buses in North America and retored the request at WP:RM/TR. I hope that is acceptable to everyone. Station1 (talk) 09:25, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Update: Despite my effort, another editor has again moved the discussion without first reverting the undiscussed title change. Station1 (talk) 21:04, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your work on this. Given that now even the editor QuadColour who originally filed the technical move request supports the revert so that the discussion can occur, do you know if there is anything that can be done to have this mess reverted more quickly? --Pinchme123 (talk) 23:08, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
 * An uninvolved administrator could close the discussion and revert at any time, but RMs usually last 7 days, and since this is a mess as you say, I'm not sure any admin would want to do that. As long as school bus continues to redirect to the stable article, it might be best at this point to just let it run its course. Station1 (talk) 06:21, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:School buses in North America which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 14:45, 23 January 2020 (UTC)