Talk:School of Rock (TV series)

Missing episode?
It seems like there's an episode missing as there is no episode with production code 101, so there are 12 episodes that aired in the first season, but production codes suggest 13. Again, I'm aware production codes are only for internal purposes, but even then, the total number of episodes aired for seasons usually still match with the number of production codes that there are. For clarity in case this is confusing, look at List of Nicky, Ricky, Dicky & Dawn episodes. The first season has both 20 aired episodes and 20 production codes listed. The only exception to that that I can think of is when a single episode of double length has two production codes as then the number of episodes production-wise don't match with the number of episodes aired, such as the first seasons of Henry Danger and Bella and the Bulldogs. However, that is not the case here as 101 is missing entirely. I wonder if there was a skipped pilot. Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 06:27, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
 * ,, , , I think I may have solved the mystery. Skip to 22:20 here (no login required) for the last part of the end credits and watch for a few seconds. You'll see a white paper with a "Clown Police" title and a writer being stamped. Before it's stamped, if you look underneath that title, there's another title that says "Pilot." Like I mentioned above, season one was ordered 13 episodes just like season two, but only 12 aired, with episode 101 missing. The series and season premiere was episode 112. Unlike Andi Mack, however, it's not because an episode was held for the next season, there were just 12 episodes that aired, which leads me to believe that "Clown Police" is our missing episode. I could be totally wrong, though, and there's no such episode and it's just for the credits. Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 18:24, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Principal Mullins recurring
I do not get how the principle can be credited as a guess with her multiple appearances and large contribution to plots. You might as well credit other main characters as guest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.83.147.28 (talk) 18:28, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
 * It's not our decision, that was made by the show's creators. But (I haven't started watching this show yet) I guess they realized it as she's going to be part of the main cast in season 2. nyuszika7h (talk) 18:32, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh I see. Because she has more contrubtion to the plot then some main characters. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.83.147.28 (talk • contribs) 19:10, 16 July 2016‎ (UTC)
 * I've moved her to the main cast section per WP:TVCAST, as we have a source stating she will be main cast in season 2. nyuszika7h (talk) 19:55, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

Sources for season 2
If you click through to her profile, you can see that Breanna Yde's Instagram account is verified, so I think it's OK as a source, she's not even the only one making the statement, she posted the page from a magazine. Tony Cavelero's Twitter account is verified too, and there's also Broadway World article, though it's not explicit about the "new episode" being part of season 2, but we have other sources for that. nyuszika7h (talk) 13:36, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Generally we can use verified social media accounts for info about the person only, not stuff about others. The web of info supports the conclusions but that is getting into the realm of WP:SYNTHESIS which we are supposed to avoid. Social media accounts of the show runner could be used for info about show as expert in area but even then not for scheduling in general. Would like to see something official or from a reliable secondary source. Geraldo Perez (talk) 14:56, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
 * The actual source is the magazine article and that is a reliable secondary source. Not online but still verifiable by anyone who wants to go to a library and examine it or buy the magazine. The fact an image is on a Instagram is a convenience (and also a link to a copyvio) but does prove verification is possible. via link probably should be removed but useful for now. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:54, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Infobox image
I think the poster provides more value to readers, as we can use a single image to represent both the logo and the cast, and it's also acceptable to use that per WP:TVIMAGE, which says "The image presented in the infobox of the main article should ideally be an intertitle shot of the show ... or a promotional poster used to represent the show itself", basically giving the two options equal weight, but we can discuss it. nyuszika7h (talk) 12:24, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Put me down as preferring the poster. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 12:34, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Looks like it was changed with this edit, without discussion, or even an edit summary. I'm going to boldly restore the poster, while this discussion continues, as it was at this article for ages before this recent change. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 12:37, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah, thanks, I was just about to restore to the status quo in meantime too. nyuszika7h (talk) 12:41, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
 * For this use the poster image is better. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:28, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Revisited
I'm thinking it's time we've considered re-discussing this and changing the image, using the one Zap2it here instead. The reason being is that the time on the poster is not 100% accurate. It started with airing at 8:30 PM, with the exception of the premiere following the KCAs 2016, but then changed to 9:00 PM when there were three premieres in one night—there were three premieres before then, but at that point Bella and the Bulldogs was in the 9:00 PM slot. Then it changed back to 8:30 PM one night—October 15—when it was airing by itself as new episodes of Henry Danger and Game Shakers went on an odd hiatus until November 5. Then it was at 9:30 PM on November 12 and 19. The former I don't remember why, but the latter was because of The Thundermans's special, pushing Game Shakers to 9:00 PM and School of Rock to 9:30 PM. Then it was back to 9:00 PM for the remaining season two episodes when it returned from its holiday hiatus back in January. Now it's back to 8:30 PM as of the premiere of season three. Although it will probably be back at 9:00 PM if it returns in September if there are three premieres. Any time there are three premieres, it's always the last to air. Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 14:12, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 * If that's the only concern, here is a version without the timeslot (and the Nickelodeon logo). nyuszika7h (talk) 14:26, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 * That works, too. Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 14:31, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes – let's switch to that one. Definitely preferable to the Zap2It image. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:53, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

A "Recurring" cast section is needed by now...
I'm not a regular watcher of this show, but it looks like a "Recurring" cast section needs to be added by this point in the show's run. By my count, both Clark and Kale must surely qualify for that by this point. And there may be a few others... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:14, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
 * For reference, here are the episode counts for guest cast with at least 3 appearances, up to S02E02 (excluding Jama Williamson because she was promoted to main cast in season 2):
 * {| class="wikitable plainrowheaders" style="text-align: center"

! scope="col" | Actor ! scope="col" | Episode count ! scope="row" | Ivan Mallon ! scope="row" | Brec Bassinger ! scope="row" | Haley Powell ! scope="row" | Will Kindrachuk ! scope="row" | David Pressman ! scope="row" | Kendall Schmidt
 * 9
 * 8
 * 5
 * 4
 * 3
 * 3
 * }
 * – nyuszika7h (talk) 20:25, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks . Based on that list, I would only include the first two as "Recurring", at least for now... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:22, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Just noting that David Pressman is now at four appearances. Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 05:11, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

"Series finale"
This keeps coming up, so I'm going to post to the Talk page about this: While the April 8, 2018 airing of this show does appear to be the "series finale", I can't find any reliable source that reports this as such, not even a Nickelodeon promo on YouTube. The "outlets" that are reporting this as the "series finale" are all WP:NOTRS for various reasons – the Nickalive blog, RenewCancelTV.com, Just Jared, etc. Until we get a WP:RS confirming that this is the series finale of the show we are stuck, and cannot report it as such here. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 02:17, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Agreed. While we do have a source from Deadline confirming the series has been canceled, we have nothing confirming that tomorrow night's episode is the season and series finale. Zap2it doesn't have both the new and finale tags on tomorrow's episode, just the new tag. And we can't use the 20-episode order to support tomorrow is the season and series finale as that is WP:SYNTH. Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 02:34, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
 * The stars of the show themselves have confirmed on their Instagram posts that the airing episode tonight is the series finale. That alone should count as a RS even if there isn’t a news outlet reporting it yet. --MarioProtIV (talk/contribs) 20:35, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
 * They don't speak for the show. Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 20:39, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
 * It's probably not good enough, as Amaury says. It's a problem that Nick didn't promo this as the "series finale". We may be stuck if no WP:RS for this turns up, and may not be able to update this show's status for the full year. This falls under WP:NOHURRY... However, it depends on what exactly was said in the cast tweets – we've be able to work with that, somewhat (and imperfectly), in the past. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:26, 8 April 2018 (UTC
 * You guys are completely crazy, all of the sources state that the season has 20 episodes, all 20 episodes will have aired after tonight. Making it the season finale, as well as the series final since sources have reported that this is the last season. The cast is trust worth and can be used if it is needed as if their account is verified there accounts can be used. In the past several years you have been even more strict/crazy then before. Have fun keep reverting when you could be doing other things.Simulation60 (talk) 21:27, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
 * WP:SYNTH. Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 21:32, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
 * We can use what the cast said on social media and add it to the 'Production' section. But we cannot use what they said to update the "last aired" date. Sorry, but them's the breaks on Wikipedia – unless it comes from the network or the showrunner, we can't use it as an "official" source. (And for people who don't "like" this, the Wikia are --> ...) --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:55, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
 * The only exception I can think of would be K.C. Undercover since the series was built around Zendaya, so her words virtually had the same weight as Disney Channel and the showrunners, but that is extremely rare and not the case here. Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 21:59, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Like I said – we can probably use the cast tweets in the 'Production' section (we've done that before – e.g. Lab Rats: Elite Force), provided it's along the lines of "The cast reported on social media that "[X]" was the series finale episode." But we can't use them to actually post a "last aired" date, etc. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:34, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 23:37, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
 * You need a conformation? Here it is - http://nickalive.blogspot.com/2018/03/nickelodeon-usa-to-premiere-school-of.html All great things must come to an end, and sadly, that includes Nickelodeon's popular musical comedy series, School of Rock, which will be ending with a two-part special, "I Love Rock and Roll" premiering this April on Nickelodeon USA. Lado85 (talk) 07:48, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
 * You clearly understand how nothing works here. That's not confirmation as blogs cannot be used as they are not reliable sources. Keep this up, and you will be reported. Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 07:50, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
 * http://www.tv-recaps-reviews.com/2018/04/tv-tonight-april-8.html Sorsf.jpg Lado85 (talk) 08:10, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Do you know what a reliable source is? Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 08:11, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
 * And why for you this source - http://deadline.com/2017/11/nicky-ricky-dicky-dawn-school-of-rock-canceled-nickelodeon-1202209138/ - is unreliable? Is deadline.com official source? Yes it is! It confirmes that Nickelodeon cancelled show an final (3rd) season have 20 episodes with onhourlong last episode. All 20 epiusodes and onhourlong finale are already aired. What conformation are you waiting for? There won't and couldn't be more the 20 episdoes. Lado85 (talk) 08:17, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
 * It's a WP:SYNTH. It means we can't use it – that article did not say: "The April 8, 2018 airing of the show is the series finale." Look rather than getting mad at Wikipedia and our rules, people should really reserve their anger at Nick – all they had to do was do a press release, or even run a on-air promo, announcing that the April 8 airing was the "series finale" of School of Rock. They didn't do that. That, combined with Zap2It not marking this as a "series finale", mean we are stuck – not one reliable source has officially confirmed that that episode was the series finale. Under WP:V and WP:NOHURRY, that means we leave the "last aired" date alone for now. Everyone is free to put what they want at the Wikia, but here we have very clear rules and guidelines about what we're supposed to do. P.S. It would help if people would link to the cast's social media posting here – with that, I can at least update the 'Production' section... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 12:52, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

You never mentioned deadline in any edit summary or discussion before. You kept pushing yourself to make an edit with an unreliable source, which was blogspot. Not sure why you're implying as if you were using deadline all along when that was in fact not the case. Callmemirela  &#127809; talk 12:49, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Not every source you believe is reliable, these people dont work for the network. They are likely right but not for sure. None of these sources you have provided us with are reliable. When we mean reliable, that means it needs to be form people that actually work on the show or form the network itself. The cast does not fall under that because they dont speak for the show. The network or the showrunners do. Also, do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources. See WP:SYNTH. Keep this up and your gonna get yourself reported. Bang. (talk) 17:14, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I think it's possible that the shows future is at an risk like other current nick shows or it will move to paramount network since its made by paramount television Brownspoof (talk) 03:04, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
 * http://www.thefutoncritic.com/showatch/school-of-rock/listings/ - here show status is "ended". BROADCAST HISTORY: 3/12/16 - 4/8/18 STATUS: canceled/ended (2017-2018 season) Is this reliable source? Lado85 (talk) 09:14, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Did you even read WP:SYNTH? Please, do NOT combine multiple sources to prove an point. Also, Futon Critic does not speak for the show, so they are not an reliable source. Bang. (talk) 10:52, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Actually, Futon Critic is a reliable source – they are a "news" source, equivalent to Deadline Hollywood. But in this case, yeah, using them would represent another WP:SYNTH – no one is denying that the show is cancelled/ended; what is the issue is that April 8 hasn't been called the "series finale" by anyone "official". --IJBall (contribs • talk) 12:47, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Okay. Still, currently the episode that has aired on April 8th, currently, we do NOT know if its the series finale. It is likely that it is but we are not sure. Currently, we must wait for the 8th of April, 2019 or for an announcement grom the showrunners or the network. Cast members do not speak for the show as they dont control the show, nor do we know if they are correct. Bang. (talk) 14:11, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
 * One thing I think is worth clarifying is that the reason it's WP:SYNTH is because if we have a source saying 24 episodes for season two of Series X, they're talking about production episodes. Four of those episodes could very well end up being merged for presentation into two double-length episodes, giving us 22 aired episodes. School of Rock hasn't had any double-length specials (although I wonder if that was going to happen with "I Love Rock and Roll"), but in cases like this, for all we know, additional episodes could have been quietly ordered. Unlikely, but possible. Amaury ( talk &#124; contribs ) 14:25, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Also, Butch Hartman (who quit Nick recently) said that Nick told him multiple times that the series was over, however, then they would just renew it AGAIN. Nick could just order an new year of episodes if they wanted too. Ratings for this show are not bad. Also, this "end date issue" has happened on MANY different TV show pages before (e.g: Lab Rats: Elite Force,The Fairly OddParents and many more. Dont blame Wikipedia. Blame Nick for not properly announcing the cancellation of an show. As much as I want to say the show is ended, we still don't know. And we probably wont know for an while. Bang. (talk) 17:59, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

To me Lab Rats: Elite Force is just on permanent haitis Brownspoof (talk) 19:44, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
 * That's a nice sentiment...  On my end, I'm hoping they'll do a Lab Rats/LR: Elite Force movie, a la Wizards of Waverly Place: The Movie, one of these days. But it's probably a vain hope... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:23, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks IJBall Brownspoof (talk) 01:05, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Paramount Television produced for the show.
@Amaury: This is what I am trying to get you to understand. Paramount Television produced for the damn series. The series is based on the film, which Paramount distributed. And then their television division made this series for Nickelodeon. Nickelodeon and Paramount are owned by the same companies. So there is no typical reason why neither of them cannot be here. PMTV is seen. In. The. End credits. And you say that Paramount is for their DVD releases. That has nothing to do with their television division’s distribution rights. What I am trying to tell you is: PMTV produced for the series although the show is based on the movie. And it shows PMTV in the end credits. So it should be included in the infobox. This is the same old stress I have to deal with every day. INC (💬) 22:24, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * You're the one choosing to let this stress you instead of just leaving it alone. The credits are not enough here, because we have no indication that it produces anything. Amaury • 23:03, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I'll have to check, but if Paramount is listed in the end credits, then they should definitely be included as producers. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:08, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * The problem here is the lack of "Productions," as we've discussed before, in which case the credits aren't enough and we need to find a reliable secondary source that says Paramount Television is a production company. Similar how we needed to find a secondary source for Horizon. Amaury • 23:13, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm finding several sources that confirm that Paramount Television produced the series: press release, Deadline, Variety. I'm going to go ahead and restore that edit. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 12:39, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

Passable Entertainment
I've been following the edits where Passable Entertainment is added to the production company list in the infobox, and has always been reverted. I do see that in the end credits of many episodes, but have not followed what is and is not a production company where these appear in the end credits. Probably may not get it honestly, but if someone could explain this, I'd appreciate it. MPFitz1968 (talk) 01:24, 2 October 2023 (UTC)


 * It's Jay Kogen's production company, there's no way it would be reverted Scoophole2021 (talk). 02:52, 17 January 2024 (UTC)