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Article focus
I know this woamiation the content I posted is PD, it's an executive summary, and may serve as a point of departure for the next draft. Here is the DOJ page for the full report: Indicators of School Crime and Safety, 2004 --68.227.221.254 07:21, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Maybe this should be over at Wikisource or something? If it's just excerpts from a report, I don't really know if it meets Wikipedia's article requirements. But maybe I'm wrong. -- Dpark 17:06, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * I think that the article should focus more on school violence itself rather than the statistics. I also think the article is too U.S. specific (because of the statistics).--84.26.109.69 15:59, 20 January 2006.
 * I agree completely. Also see the policy on Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information.  Added  in the mean time; I think this is a good candidate for Article Improvement Drive.  GChriss 06:45, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Duplicate comment removed, see Article focus (2) for current comment. Wiki-Ron (talk) 18:12, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Nonfatal Student Victimization—Student Reports. Where?
Does anybody know any sources to this, or if it refers to American or international reports? No one really wants any of this to happen and someone had to stand up for it. Parents need to talk to their kids and ask them what is going on in their life and ask them why they are doing that to kinds that have not done anything to them. The cause of most tof this school violence is coming from home and stuff that is happening there.

Those statements are vague, and are in the current revision of the article. We could disagree and say that people do want it to happen, else it would not happen in the first place. Obviously, these incidents of violence are occuring, and saying that nobody wants it to happen is not going to make it go away. "The cause of most of this school violence is coming from home and stuff that is happening there", no. Let's try something along the lines of reporting about studies of children that talk with their parents versus those who do not, or some other studies that identifies factors more specifically than "stuff". Remember, this is an encyclopedia and not a blog.Eferybody don't have to be around that person or like them they will do anything in the dark. --kanzure 19:11, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Blatant Copyright violation
This whole article appears to have been copied directly from the DOJ link posted in the first comment on this page, quoting statistics is one thing but it appears to have been copied verbatim. This is definitely a topic worthy of an article, but if nothing is done to improve it it'll have to be deleted. --D Elkington 11:34, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I deleted the copied material in the process of improving the school violence Wikipedia entry.Iss246 (talk) 12:42, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

The contributor who started this entry really stole stuff without attribution. I also found that this sentence, "School violence can occur in several forms, including bullying, physical assaults, sexual assaults, gun violence," was copied from here: http://hmanrights.blogspot.com/2009/05/school-violence.html. I find this exasperating. I will work on the citation and reworking the sentence.Iss246 (talk) 14:28, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Threat assessment for safer schools
I work in the public school system in Florida as a school psychologist. I have published and present nationally on threat assessment and the mitigation of school violence. I maintain a site on the web at www.psych-insight.com as professional resource addressing the application of threat assessment for mental health professionals working in middle and high schools. I hope that you find it a useful resource. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.118.67.138 (talk) 22:06, 1 May 2007 (UTC).

Beginnings of a rewrite
This article was previously copied verbatim from here, and while that appears to be a public domain US government source, and thus not a copyvio, it's still not what an article ought to consist of. I've dramatically slashed that section, and expansion should be based on a range of sources, particularly ones dealing with more than one year at a time.

I've also merged some content from another article that relates to a Polish incident, this is under the "Poland" section.

Some ideas for expansion:
 * cover more countries
 * add a section on causes of school violence

--bainer (talk) 08:21, 2 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't recommend to add a section on causes of school violence. Germans did that and it looks very miserable, something like that: kids in school tend to violence because they watch too many violent movies on TV and play too many violent computer games, done by some psychologist amateur. At least, that Polish case previously titled Anna Halman, you helped to delete, doesn't fit in any category proposed in German version of this article. Just like Nicole Brown Simpson wouldn't fit in general category of domestic violence. Now, after you dumped this high potential Anna Halman case into the same bag with all those small time offenders, you look for a fool to label it as an every day occurance under some flag or another? Not a very smart move, I gather. You've only made a huge favor to Polish corrupted politicians, who make everything possible to cover up this story and to keep it under hat. greg park avenue 21:03, 6 June 2007 (UTC)


 * There's the important decision of Jimbo Wales on Talk:2006 Gdansk school suicide incident. —Zacheus Talk • Contributions • Edit counter 06:49, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Category
Change to  see  on Category:Education page Dbiel (Talk) 11:08, 4 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Done. For reference, you can link to category pages without adding the page you are editing to the category by putting a colon at the start of the link before the word "Category", for example,  Category:Education  produces Category:Education. --bainer (talk) 11:38, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for making the change. In this case I used nowiki on the entire block as it was easier and I was not sure if the colon would work on the template entry, but I forgot to think that leaving a link to the category would be helpful. Thanks again. Dbiel (Talk) 06:19, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Safety- In School vs. Out of School
I'm looking for information on relative safety. It seems to me that kids are most often victims of crime or violence outside of school rather than in school. I'm not having much luck reading the national data, though. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

Violence Against Teachers
Attention to violence and maltreatment of teachers is much needed.

http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2004/crime03/9.asp 9. Nonfatal teacher victimization at school This indicator has been updated to include 2001 data. From 1997 to 2001, teachers were the victims of approximately 1.3 million nonfatal crimes at school, including 817,000 thefts and 473,000 violent crimes. Students are not the only victims of crime at school. Teachers are also targets of violence and theft in schools. In addition to the personal toll that violence may take on teachers, those who worry about their safety may have difficulty teaching and may leave the profession altogether (Elliott, Hamburg, and Williams 1998). Information on the number of crimes against teachers at school can help show the extent of the problem. Estimates of teacher victimization are drawn from the National Crime Victimization Survey, which obtains information about the occupation of survey respondents. These events are not limited to offenses committed by students; offenses committed by others against teachers at school are also included. Over the 5-year period from 1997 to 2001, teachers were the victims of approximately 1.3 million nonfatal crimes at school, including 817,000 thefts and 473,000 violent crimes (rape or sexual assault, robbery, aggravated assault, and simple assault)(table 9.1). Among the violent crimes against teachers during this 5-year period, there were about 48,000 serious violent crimes (accounting for 10 percent of the violent crimes), including rape or sexual assault, robbery, and aggravated assault. On average, these figures translate into a rate of 21 violent crimes per 1,000 teachers, and 2 serious violent crimes per 1,000 teachers annually.4 During the 5-year period, the annual rate of violent victimization for teachers varied according to their sex and their instructional level (figure 9.1 and table 9.1). Over the 5- year period from 1997 to 2001, male teachers were more likely than female teachers to be victims of violent crimes (39 vs. 16 crimes per 1,000 teachers). Also, senior high school and middle/junior high school teachers were more likely than elementary school teachers to be victims of violent crimes (31 and 33 vs. 12 violent crimes per 1,000 teachers, respectively). Teachers in urban areas were more vulnerable to violent crime victimization at school than others. For example, annually over the 5-year period, urban teachers were more likely than rural and suburban teachers to be victims of violent crimes (28 vs.13 and 16 crimes, respectively, per 1,000 teachers). Teachers in urban areas were more likely than those in rural areas to experience theft at school (42 and 26 crimes per 1,000 teachers, respectively).

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59900

BRAVE NEW SCHOOLS LA teacher battles opponent tougher than gangs District still hasn't approved benefits, months after being attacked in class

Posted: January 26, 2008 1:00 a.m. Eastern © 2008 WorldNetDaily.com Los Angeles school Supt. David L. Brewer III

Migdia Chinea, a Cuban-American screenwriter and actress who has writing credits for the TV series "The Incredible Hulk" and "Superboy," recently documented how she was attacked and injured by students while she served as a substitute teacher in the Los Angeles Unified School District.

Now she's reporting that the students who attacked her, body-slammed her to the floor in front of witnesses who documented the attack, and left her with a concussion and possibly long-term injuries were the easy ones to deal with; the system that is supposed to provide care for injuries on the job is a harder opponent to beat.

"Despite my being injured by students while working, with a teacher as a witness and a police report, Sedgwick, the LAUSD's insurance has not yet 'accepted' my disability claim, and perhaps won't pay in the end, until a deposition is taken three months from now. Meantime, as a woman alone, I wonder how am I going meet my financial responsibilities without incurring further debt?" Chinea told WND.

"How am I going to pay my mortgage and eat?" she asked.

In an earlier commentary for WND, she described how, as a UCLA-educated graduate with a "Googleable" career as a professional screenwriter, economic conditions forced her to seek employment as a substitute teacher in order to obtain health insurance benefits.

She described the violence in the L.A. schools, how there was no teaching at the school to which she was assigned, only "confinement." She told of the classrooms being left in shreds, teaching materials stolen, vandalism to her car, and the verbal and physical assaults.

One such school, she said, "is surrounded by criminal street gangs and is widely considered one of the most dangerous campuses in the Los Angeles Unified School District. The South Side Village Boys, South Side Watts Varrio Grape, Grape Street Crips, East Side Village Bloods, Hacienda Bloods, Circle City Piru and Bounty Hunters street gangs all claim turf in that area, and frequent flare-ups of gang violence are common."

She also told about being hurt on the job, with witnesses and a police report that documented the circumstances.

"On Oct. 5, 2007, at another notorious middle school, I was deliberately body-slammed on the head by two to three large young men in a P.E. class of 53 students, while another teacher (someone I had never met before) was decent enough to give a formal declaration to school and police authorities of what he had witnessed. I sustained a concussion and sciatica nerve damage as a result of this personal attack intended to 'terrorize [me].' I have memory lapses and continued head and leg pain. I'm told by the local police that this sort of physical abuse on teachers occurs with disturbing regularity. The LAUSD case nurse assigned to my case labeled my attack 'boys will be boys.'" she wrote.

In going through the process of seeking to have her medical claim paid and her injuries addressed by a district that lists local police station telephone numbers on its website, she has discovered something even worse than a body-slam. The district for which she worked, and left her injured, is the one deciding on her treatment and ultimate disability, since the school district is exempt from state-mandated worker's compensation requirements and provides its own coverage.

"I've been told by another teacher (still working as such) who has been through this hell, that LAUSD will be willing to 'kill me' to protect and cover-up their corruption – which is, in turn, not reported nor investigated by the press. I have reported this 'murderous intent or potential' to the LAPD and I'm supposed to get a call from their organized crime unit – but not so far," she told WND.

"Meanwhile, the LAUSD continues to call me three times every morning and as I hear the names of the schools to which they wish to send me to 'substitute,' they're the worst schools in the district. Therefore, I believe they want to finish me off," she said.

Officials with the school district declined to answer messages left by WND requesting a comment on Chinea's allegations. The district now is being run by David L. Brewer III, who was appointed a little over a year ago to replace former Colorado Gov. Roy Romer, who ran the district for several years.

She also reported that neither school officials nor the school district's physician will have a conversation with her, even though she's continue to try to obtain information about her situation, including an unanswered e-mail just days ago.

The district had her "released" to return to work, but the doctor who made the decision didn't notify her, then "refused my phone calls," she said.

"I have requested a meeting with the LAUSD Board of Education, to no avail. I have asked them to, please, explain to me what constitutes an 'act of violence' because only a small percentage of teachers who are seriously assaulted qualify under their own definition. But there's no response," she said.

"On Jan. 5, 2008, the same day that the city held a conference hailing a citywide drop in crime, an L.A. Times columnist wrote that 60 LAUSD schools were vandalized while grim-faced teachers swept up the mess," she continued.

"To be in this situation, after having achieved certain things and pulled myself up by my bootstraps and have my own home, is horrible," she told WND. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Migdiachinea (talk • contribs) 00:01, 28 January 2008 --Mig 04:33, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Completely non-sensical opening
"There were 2 school-associated violent deaths in the United States between 1 July 1999 and 30 June 2000, sixteen of which involved children of school age" This sentence makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. How can there have only been "2 school-associated violent deaths" in the time period yet SIXTEEN of them involved children of school age? 16 of the 2 deaths? If someone knows what this sentence is trying to say then please re-write otherwise I'll delete it soon. --Stenun (talk) 02:08, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
 * And what about this statistic? "14% said that they had been involved in school property in the past year"?  Involved in school property what?  --Stenun (talk) 02:11, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Dbhakta
Dbhakta you don't have a Wikipedia page, so I am writing here. Avoid writing so categorically. You lay down facts in an all-or-none 100% certainty way that detracts from the important things you want to say. In the social sciences, there isn't perfect causality.Iss246 (talk) 05:25, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

I also thought it was disrespectful to the unfortunate Polish girl who committed suicide for Dbhakta to give her the phony name Austin Manzano. Obviously it was a made up name or the name of someone Dbhakta wanted to ridicule. That does not belong in Wikipedia.Iss246 (talk) 02:16, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Iss246
Foremost, the information regarding international violence was already posted on the Wikipedia page prior to my edits. IT IS NOT MY WORK. I didn't check the sources to see if the section was valid. I integrated the information into my research, which is what Wikipedia edits are supposed to do. I have no intentions of ridiculing anybody or putting false information on the web. I'm sorry to have erased some on your work. I assure you, I did my research and the information I put on this page is entirely valid. All of my research had come from scholarly journals, newspaper articles, or organizations like the Centers for Disease Prevention and Control. I understand some of the links to the newspaper articles did not work. Again, I assure you, I have every reference I cited in print form. Ultimately, I think our writing styles and research conflict, which makes it hard to integrate our work together. Lastly, I edited this page in order to fulfill a requirement for my English course. I would appreciate it if you could leave some of my work on the page. I want my instructor to be able to grade me for my contributions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dbhakta (talk • contribs) 02:42, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not an English course. If you lay down poor writing on a Wikipedia page, prepare to have it changed. You can't freeze a Wikipedia page; Wikipedia advises users of that. My advice is to take a snapshot of an old page and show it to your professor. Of course we have differences in writing. You writing tends to be weak. Don't expect it to last on Wikipedia.

Moreover, you saw that suspicious Manzano name in the section about the poor girl who committed suicide in Poland. It was phony. And you let it stay there. You didn't check the source. That is what scholars in English courses are supposed to do.

I add one more thing. Citing a summary article at a CDC web site or clipping a newspaper article does not constitute scholarship.Iss246 (talk) 04:14, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Here is the link to the Larsen article. It had been moved since the last time I used it: http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICDocs/data/ericdocs2sql/content_storage_01/0000019b/80/1b/99/86.pdf

Here is the link to the Seattle Times article, which had been moved into archives: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/cgi-bin/PrintStory.pl?document_id=2008800988&zsection_id=2003925728&slug=gangsandschools02m&date=20090302 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dbhakta (talk • contribs) 04:49, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Dbhakta, you have to understand something. I re-entered the Seattle Times newspaper article after getting the correct link but a newspaper article is not substantial scholarship. You need research that reports on large trends in efforts to combat gang violence around the US or another country. I also re-entered the citation for the ERIC document, which amounts to a summary of others' research, not a primary source; but you wanted it included, so I included it. I now understand that you are a college student who is working on getting his writing chops. It is difficult to "practice writing" in a place like Wikipedia because so many people enter and change writing. If you want to practice, I recommend that you start your own blog, and write a blog on topics such as school violence. In that way you have ownership of the writing, and others can't enter and edit what you write. You can come back to the blog time and again to edit and elaborate what you write.

I apologize for getting so angry. It happened when I saw my hard work get wiped out, in favor of writing that I had improved upon. I don't mind my writing being edited in Wikipedia as long as it is improved.Iss246 (talk) 14:27, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

International coverage
To Alaric. I worked very hard on what was a terribly written school violence entry. Not only was the entry badly written, it contained unsourced copyrighted material. It is very difficult to cover the U.S. alone. I inherited the bit about Poland, but had to clean it up--the paragraph on Poland also contained vandalism that went unnoticed for a while (a vandal mocked the unfortunate Polish girl who committed suicide). I could use some help. Do you think you could cover the UK or Canada or some other English-speaking country. This could be an effective way to expand the article's coverage. Also observe that there is an article about school violence in the French and German branches of Wikipedia.Iss246 (talk) 22:08, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I will see what I can do in due course. Alarics (talk) 08:48, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Preventing School Violence
I have provided a link to an article about Preventing School Violence tghis has been rejected with the claim that it is poorly written. I have tried to do the best I could to reflect the views of researchers who have studied this and I believe that even if it isn't perfect it is better than what is on either this page or the school shooting page. these 2 page have little or nothing that seems to be productive. the closest thing to a solution on the shooting page seems to be an attempt to arm teachers and shoot the shooters before they can kill people. The Preventing School Violence focuses primarily on improving education and preventing child abuse and bullying. It relys on sources that have studied the subject and come up with solutions that are mostly productive. if someone can improve the Preventing School Violence article I would welcome it. If there is no objection I'll put it back. Zacherystaylor (talk) 17:15, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I see no reason why it should be included as a link here, until the article is better written with reliable secondary sources. I also see no reason why, if it were well-written, it should not be included in this article.  — Arthur Rubin  (talk) 19:42, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Proposed merging of the preventing school violence article into this article
I think so many problems exist in the preventing school violence article that it should not be merged into the school violence article. Or, if there is a merger, only a very small portion of the preventing school violence article should be used. The school violence article relies on important sources, particularly in the area of prevention, written by researchers who have conducted controlled studies on preventing violence in schools or studies that bear on violence reduction in children and youth (e.g., Patterson), violence that carries over into schools. The school violence article avoids the third-hand sources found in the preventing school violence article. My concern is that a merger will make the school violence entry worse. There are two reasons. First, a merger will add poorly-sourced material to an entry that has well-sourced material. Second, the quality of the writing in the preventing school violence entry is not as a good as the writing in the school violence entry. Iss246 (talk) 15:58, 18 July 2009 (UTC)


 * The merger has now been decreed after discussion by the powers that be (see Articles for deletion/Preventing school violence), so it is too late to say that it should not take place. As far as the quality of the writing is concerned, that can easily be cleaned up. It is what to include that is the problem. We shall have to meet Zacherystaylor part way by including more about practical suggestions for prevention, but maybe we can find better sources for that in the longer run. Alarics (talk) 17:34, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Alarics. I stand by what I said. The merger is a mistake. I see it as a case in which a poorly constructed entry infects a well constructed entry. I think a better idea is to let the school violence entry develop organically, with contributors adding improvements such as those you added.21:52, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

As you know I think much more can be added about prevention. There is an enormous amount of information including the sources I cited and wikipedia has very little about it on any of their pages about violence. This includes dozens if not hundreds of articles and lists. I am not going to argue any more. I may revisit the subject in a month or 2 but I hope you would simply allow improvements or do it yourself. Feel free to use any of the material here if you change your mind: User:Zacherystaylor/preventing school violence. If more isn't done to provide information to the public about prevention it will be the children who lose not you or I. I believe that whether it is the mass media or wikipedia if they are going to provide an enormous amount of information about violence they should provide more about prevention. The lack of available information is no excuse since there is available information. I may prepare more in my sandbox or on a blog but until I have support from at least one other person I'm not going to waste my time jumping from one article talk page to another to argue. When your done mergeing, assuming you actualy want to add anything about prevention, please put a redirect instead of deletion on the preventing school violence so the history will be saved. Eventually I will attempt to reverse the decisions made since I still believe they are highly unreasonable and based on little or no discussion about the subject. This appears to be a political decision not an academic one to me. Zacherystaylor (talk) 16:47, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Expired Links
Hey guys, the pages for refs 34/35/36/37 are all dead, sorry. Don't have time to look for new cites, so thought I would point it out. Cheers, 203.167.189.37 (talk) 01:34, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Article focus (2)
I would recommend organizing the article to focus on school violence in general.
 * State the purpose and importance of the following sections: Risk factors, Controversies, Prevention and intervention and their subsections. References to state or country would not be included. Explain the intent and the meaning of sections in the context of school violence.
 * Remove all country references and provide links to new Country specific articles.
 * All US reference data is Country specific and is moved to a new article "School Violence - United States".
 * Use the "School Violence - United States" article as a template for other country specific articles. This would be a solution to some of the questions raised. I'm new to Wikipedia and I'm afraid I don't have the skill yet to make these changes. Welcome advise and help. Wiki-Ron (talk) 06:19, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

I think user:Wiki-Ron that you have a good idea. The current article on school violence could, at the bottom in the "see also" section, contain links to country-specific subjects. The country-specific text in this article should form a basis for country-specific Wikipedia entries. Iss246 (talk) 15:32, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

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Violence and Discipline Problems in U.S. Public Schools: 1996-97
* The incidents of serious violent incidents reported per 100,000 were * 19 per 100,000 at schools with less than 5 percent minority enrollment * 51 per 100,000 at schools with less than 20 to 49 percent minority enrollment * 96 per 100,000 at schools with more than 50 percent minority enrollment * 28 per 100,000 at Town schools * 90 per 100,000 at City schools * 61 per 100,000 at Small schools. * 38 per 100,000 at Medium-sized schools * 90 per 100,000 at Large schools

The ratio of serious violent crime was associated with percent minority enrollment. While the ratio of serious violent crime per 100,000 students was 19 in schools with less than 5 percent minority enrollment, it was 51 per 100,000 students in those schools with 20 to 49 percent minority students, and 96 per 100,000 in schools with 50 percent or more minority enrollment.

Economies of scale, school violence and the optimal size of schools
Where more Students are enrolled in larger and larger schools, then there is an increase of very violent crime that becomes more and more rapid (at almost an exponential rate).

{direct quote} What Table 5 clearly indicates is that school violence rapidly rises with school size (measured by student enrollment) and almost exponentially so for seriously violent crimes. What is not shown in Table 5 is the sensitivity of the reported figures to other potential causal factors in determining violence as reported in Indicators. It is true, for example, that students who attend city schools face a higher probability of experiencing serious violence than do students in schools in either towns or rural areas (16% compared to 5 and 8%) and city schools are typically larger.[11] However, within each of these location categories, the same pattern of violence by school size is repeated. For example, the percentage of schools that report serious crimes is more than three times higher for large schools of 1000 or more compared to middle sized schools of 300–999 for both city and urban fringe schools. Similarly in smaller towns, the largest sized schools are five times more likely to report serious violence than their mid-sized alternatives.[12] School violence also differs by other characteristics such as by minority enrollment, by region from northeast to west, and by the percentage of students who qualify for free/reduced-price lunch eligibility. None of these factors, however, shows anywhere near the same degree of association with school violence as does school size.[13]

Removal of the banner from 2012 about personal writing style
I have rewritten the section that I believe were concerned by the issue of personal writing style, hence the removal of the banner. TomRichomme (talk) 14:50, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Challenges in measuring violence in schools section
I've tried to more clearly attribute the material in the School violence section to its source, but we really need more sources for that section, so that it's not just UNESCO's perspective on the issue. Cordless Larry (talk) 23:09, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
 * , thanks for adding page numbers to the UNESCO references in this section. However, the page number you've added is 114, whereas the document only seems to have 54 pages. Has there been a mix-up? Cordless Larry (talk) 09:43, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
 * ah yes my bad, i cited the wrong UNESCO publications, thanks for pointing it out, i am going to change it TomRichomme (talk) 09:46, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
 * the issues should be resolved TomRichomme (talk) 09:53, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Cordless Larry (talk) 11:16, 20 June 2023 (UTC)