Talk:Schuman Declaration

Page deletion
When I created this page this morning, the log stated it had been deleted in January. Does anyone know why? --Daysleeper47 (talk) 16:45, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

No idea on the above. I had left comments on some history discussions in this area. Jbrs1886 (talk) 19:33, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Incomplete Text of Declaration
It should be noted that the Commission's site europa.eu and Wiki's own site does not include the full Schuman Declaration as the very important introduction is left out. It is also left out of many publications. It provides the best political forecast of the effect of the Declaration made by Schuman himself (together with his other speeches). Monnet's team had nothing to do with its drafting. One reason for this ommission is that much of the history has been written by people relying on Monnet's account which is rather incomplete and biased. In the 1960s and 1970s, Gaullists tried to eliminate Schuman from the record (especially in relation to Franco-German agreements). The Rieben book on Changement d'Esperance provides the raw material for factual analysis, as do Reuter's own accounts. The introduction can be found on the schuman.info site and in some of the better (and older) history books. Schuman -- who wrote and gave the most magnificent speeches on Europe -- had no need that either Reuter or Monnet should help draft this particular speech. The reason for the involvement of Monnet is complex and requires a long article about the intracacies of the plots and counter-plots in the Fourth Republic. A full text is important as the Declaration is at the origin of the world's largest trading power and the most important civilian superpower in the world today. Jbrs1886 (talk) 19:29, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

removing Fringe Theory messy inserts
notified the Fringe Theories Noticeboard (WP:FTN) about this article, suggesting plainly removing the additions dated Sep.14, Nov.13 and Nov.18, 2009 because of
 * undue details, eg long speech extracts which are not central to the point and lack reference
 * non-factual retrospective comments and defective summaries, eg the blurring retrospective personal comments inserted in the introduction, and the Declaration's 'distinct aims' jumble list
 * lack of references, these should point to some institutional site or recognized publication, not to schuman.info
 * undue accent upon the 'supranational' concept (which seems to be the core of the author's thesis).

Some of these defaults may be somewhat alleviated with more references and if all these comments were gathered in a separate 'Legacy' paragraph at the end.

Same issue on the Robert_Schuman page. Gwaevl (talk) 17:04, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Map

Might it help to shift the date on the animated map showing the expansion of the EU towards the the lower right corner so it can be kept in one's field of view at the same time as one watches the animation unfold? Right now one has to shift one's focus back and forth which requires many viewings to get the date of each expansion. I'm not sure the suggested fix would work, but it would be worth trying to see if it helps.

The proposed change might extend to other Wikipedia maps as a general principle of keeping maps as "user friendly" as possible. The information is there now, of course, but it could perhaps be reformatted into more "assimilable at a glance" form.

If the map advanced one year at a time, rather than in multi-year jumps, it would give some additional information as the viewer could get a sense of whether the expansion was steady or in lurches, though the reasons behind this (the collapse of the Soviet Bloc, etc.) would not be apparent unless already known or explained on the map. --FurnaldHall (talk) 18:51, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

More references are needed
Some of the discussion on this page is tangential to the Schuman plan, such as the discussion of the Organisation for European Economic Co-operation, the American Committee on United Europe, and the Council of Europe. Also, it may be confusing. For example, the Schuman proposal led to the creation of the European Union (EU), not the Council of Europe. The EU and the Council of Europe are often mistaken for one another, and discussing the Council of Europe here may contribute to this confusion.

It would help to have more references. One of Wikipedia's core content policies is that statements need to be verifiable, based on reliable published sources.Lukebayy (talk) 22:18, 27 May 2021 (UTC)