Talk:Schutzhund/Archive 1

GSDs Only?
Is this for German Shepards only or all dogs. This article is very confusing. --24.94.189.11 03:23, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

VDH
Under Organization, the statement: "The VDH, .........., is the body that sets the rules for Schutzhund for all breeds." is not correct. For the record, it is the AZG that sets Schutzhund rules. Here is a bit more info: http://realgsd.ca/GSDinfo/Papers/SV/dogorg.htm

The internal link "VDH" needs correcting, as I'm assuming it's not supposed to go to the "Victor Davis Hanson" article. I would fix it myself, however I don't know the full name of the club, as it's never explained in the article. Pharaoh Hound 22:40, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Other breeds
Why isn't it mentioned that many international schutzhund organisations permit many other breeds to compete in Schutzhund (malinois, dutch shepherd, dobermann, rotweiller, american staffordshire terrier, etc). Schutzhund might have been invented as a test for GSD, but today, many other breeds take part quite successfully. Rachel 13:14, 20 Oct 2006(UTC)


 * The following quote is taken from the History section. Seems clear to me.


 * "Dogs of any breed, even mixes, can compete in Schutzhund today, but the most common breeds are GSDs, Belgian Malinois, Rottweilers, Doberman Pinschers, Giant Schnauzers, Bouvier des Flandres, Dutch Shepherd Dogs, and the like."


 * Dsurber 23:38, 23 October 2006 (UTC) (I moved this to the end as Discussion pages are in chronological order.)

--- Agreed. If you look here you can see that Schutzhund DID NOT spring exclusively from a effort to refine GSD, but rather a non-breed-specific police dog club. This article regards the participation of all other breeds as an afterthought. What about Boxers and Hovawarts? As written this article exemplifies GSD chauvinism. --TateMcLeod 21:24, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Courage
NOT JUST MORE DETAILS BUT IN DESPERATE NEED of some OBJECTIVITY! How exactly does a dog display traits such as courage so that it is recognizeable??? Personally I beleive its quite true that dogs display courage, but a wikipedia article should not be an advertisement of propaganda. I don't think courage can be recognized on sight in humans or any other species. Courage is exposed in specific actions and in situations. Different language should be used, specifically behavioral terms such as 'lack of fear or panic responses as evidenced by body language; movements, stance and positioning around other people and dogs.' Talk about 'seeing courage' is pure marketing.


 * Courage in a dog is defined by several things. While not the most experince Schutzhund trainer, I do know how to present some basics:


 * 1. While under pressure, the dog bites the center of the sleeve with a full calm firm grip.
 * 2. While being driven (hit with a padded stick while the helper runs forward), the dog continues to bite the sleeve and does not let go, does not shift his bite/grip.
 * 3. The dog searches the blinds for the helper without the immediate back up of his handler, who is still walking across the field.  The dog is confronting the helper alone in hold and bark (barking directly in front of the helper to hold him in place) and without avoidance of the confrontation.
 * 4. The dog confronts a charging helper in the courage test, hits the sleeve in the center, and does not let go.


 * Dogs that hit the sleeve offcenter are sometimes displaying a lack of confidence. Dogs that don't bite and hold full, but shift their grips or let go also display a lack of confidence, and therefore, a lack of courage.  They are not sure about what is going on. Sorry to whomever wrote this but the description of this action isn't a lack of courage by the dog but a lack of training.  As an American member member of German hundeverein I can tell you

this is easily trained differently.

This is interesting. Is Courage and "courage tests" terms specifically used in Shutzhound training? The previous poster uses confidence and courage interchangeably, but I'd hate to be the one telling a proad dog owner their dog lacks courage, while saying a dog lacks confidence is much more politic. Is that the only difference? Cuvtixo And in Schutzdienst, as it's properly called, there's no niceties. There's only teh reality of how your dog trains.