Talk:Schwarzlose machine gun

MG M.07 Delayed Blowback Operation
Does anyone know about this weapons blowback operation?.

User:Jetwave Dave 01:44AM 24/06/07

Balkan Wars of the 1990s
This MG also saw service in the 1990s. --89.49.185.211 (talk) 18:34, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Copyedit
I changed 'drum-magazine' to 'box'. I did this because the term could be could be confusing as regards weapons like the Lewis. The normal term for a piece of equipment like this is 'belt-box'. RASAM (talk) 18:44, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Kynoch machine gun
I propose we don't really need a separate article for the Kynoch machine gun. As the article creator says, it's "basically a copy". Funnyfarmofdoom (talk to me) 01:35, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅: merged and redirected to the "Production" section here. Look good, User:Funnyfarmofdoom? (If you even remember you ever saw that article...) Ansh666 00:45, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

a notice
there was also a Schwarzlose M1905 machinen gewehr — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.75.85.74 (talk) 11:02, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

Origin
While it was assembled in Austria-Hungary it was designed by a German firearms designer, so I wonder if stating that Austria-Hungary is the county of origin in the infobox is correct. What are your thoughts and what are the wikipedia rules in these cases? M11rtinb (talk) 17:53, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Name
Gbook hits:


 * "Schwarzlose 07/12" (13)
 * "Schwarzlose M07/12" (13)
 * "Schwarzlose M 07/12" (8)
 * "Schwarzlose Model 07/12" (4)
 * "Schwarzlose Modell 07/12" (2)
 * "MG 07/12" (2)
 * "Schwarzlose 1907/12" (2)
 * "Schwarzlose MG M.07/12" (1)
 * "Schwarzlose MG M07/12" (1)
 * "Maschinengewehr 07/12" (1)

--Z oupan 10:00, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Gbook hits:


 * "Schwarzlose MG"/"Schwarzlose M.G." (40)
 * "Schwarzlose machine gun" (40)
 * "Schwarzlose Maschinengewehr" (31)

--Z oupan 22:42, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 26 May 2015

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: moved to Schwarzlose machine gun. Number   5  7  18:58, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Schwarzlose M07/12 → Schwarzlose M.7 – The official Austro-Hungarian Army designation of the first (M.1907) model was Maschinengewehr Schwarzlose M.7 (Source - army manual). Shouldn't this article be named Schwarzlose M.7 and not by one of its variations, the M.7/12? I understand that more M.7/12s were made because of WWI, but anyway. --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 19:05, 3 June 2015 (UTC) M11rtinb (talk) 22:08, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose: The manual uses "Maschinengewehr (Schwarzlose) M. 7" (note parenthesis and space) and not "Schwarzlose M.7". The proper names (in German) are "Maschinengewehr M. 7", "Maschinengewehr Schwarzlose" and "Schwarzlose MG/M.G.". In English, "Schwarzlose machine gun" would be most appropriate, as per article names in Category:Medium machine guns. --Z oupan 22:31, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment MOS:SLASH/WP:SUBPAGE. -- slashes should be avoided when possible because they cause problems. On the internet, they look like subpages, and talk pages on Wikipedia are treated as subpages. So if we can choose a name without a slash, that would be a good idea. -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 22:55, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment: Bold move to Schwarzlose machine gun and close?--Z oupan 00:07, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Support: move to Schwarzlose machine gun, as proposed by Zoupan. M11rtinb (talk) 04:53, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Support: move to Schwarzlose machine gun, as proposed by Zoupan. All variants could be listed in that article and have their redirects point there, too.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 23:22, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Move to Schwarzlose machine gun.--Z oupan 11:00, 4 June 2015 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Years of production
In the infobox, under Produced it's written that this MG was produced ever after WWI (presumably in Czechoslovakia) until 1939. My understanding is that these were conversions from the 8x50mmR Mannlicher to 7.92x57mm Mauser cartridge and not new products. These post WWI modifications shouldn't be considered as production years, should they? M11rtinb (talk) 20:06, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I guess everyone agrees, changing years of production to 1908-1918. M11rtinb (talk) 19:59, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

"Medium" machine gun
While in modern parlance, a medium machine gun typically fires a "rifle" cartridge of 6-8mm calibre, as does the M1907/12 here, I feel this is not a fitting term at all for the weapon. This weapon should sit firmly within the category of "heavy machine gun", a term widely used at the time for this class of extremely heavy, rifle-calibre static weapon. While the general characteristics of a modern heavy machine gun are radically different from those in WWI, their employment and role are largely unchanged - a heavy static weapon used for extended firing at range, and not mobile.

I suspect it may have once been refered to in the article as 'heavy' machine gun, but a well-meaning editor may have tried to cross-reference those articles, seen the general descriptors of a modern heavy machine gun (extremely large 12mm cartridge), and decided to use a reference they deemed more fitting. Both articles, medium and heavy machine gun, in fact specifically reference heavy WWI-era guns as not being medium machine guns at all. 86.17.120.120 (talk) 14:07, 1 January 2021 (UTC)