Talk:Schwerer Panzerspähwagen

I've updated some details on the 234 variants, and moved the 263 up to group it with the 232/233 models rather than keeping it in numeric order, as it makes more sense this way. --70.24.167.163 05:28, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * Why isn't the numeric order sensible? GraemeLeggett 13:22, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * The 263 was developed before the 233 and 234 variants and used the same chassis as the 231 series. Understandable move, though I'm pretty neutral either way. Oberiko 14:26, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Suggest Article Split - 6-rad and 8-rad
The huge differences in history, reliability, mechanical makeup, and performance between the 6-rad and 8-rad versions means that the general information does not apply to both vehicles; the 6-rad was unreliable with poor cross-country performance, the 8-rad was excellent. Also the 6-rad has a fascinating secret development history and propaganda history that does not apply to the 8-rad. Suggest article split.

Fabricated History and Incorrect Performance Information
Most of the detail of this article has been made up and is wrong. The introduction is completely contradicted by Jack Livesey, Armoured Fighting Vehicles of World Wars I and II. We read here (page 98) that the 231 actually excelled in desert and Russian mud conditions. The production statement "All 6-rad vehicles were produced DATE" is also wrong, the 6-rad was produced 1932-1935 (same reference, pg 97). The machine gun used on the 231 was not the MG 13 during war years - it was replaced by the MG 34 as the 13 was withdrawn from service in 1935. Given that the article doesn't cite any sources in the text I suggest that someone has just made this whole article up according to fancy. Suggest complete rewrite per-vehicle. The statement about the radio cars use in street fighting is clearly rubbish as they were long-range radio units used for reconnaissance (as stated already in introduction). This whole article is misleading.

SdKfz 233 Stummel
The SdKfz 233 - called the stumpy, would not be mistaken here with the SdKfz 231? Check this site; http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:SGD6BcnRuDUJ:www.aviapress.com/viewonekit.htm%3FROD-706+Schwerer+Panzerspahwagen+stumpy&hl=en&gl=ca&ct=clnk&cd=1 and tell me if im wrong or righ paat 23:04, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Schwere or Schwerer
Was it Schwerer Panzerspähwagen (article name) or Schwere Panzerspähwagen (first line) ? Bukvoed 15:26, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
 * "Schwer" means "heavy" in this sense, "Panzerspähwagen" means "armored scout car", so heavy amored scout car. In contrast to the "Leichter Panzerspähwagen" (light a.s.car)
 * As a native german speaker i'll try to explain the difference. "schwere" is simply the plural form of "schwerer". "Panzerspähwagen" can be both. Quite confusing, isn't it ;) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.133.154.130 (talk) 08:43, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Why so much content on 234 series?
This isn't the "heavy armored car" article, it is the Sd Kfz 231 article. Shouldn't we be cutting out most of the 234 content and simply referencing that article? DMorpheus (talk) 16:08, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

?APDS
The spot under armament suggests the use of APDS ... can this be confirmed? I was under the impression that the Axis never developed APDS and relied on APCR rounds in the enhanced kinetic slot... 62.196.17.197 (talk) 09:15, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Nope, just Tungsten-core APCR ammunition but availability was very limited and only for a short time. --Denniss (talk) 11:21, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Pictures
I wanted to add some pictures of the various armored cars, but do not know what is 'legal'

https://www.google.com/search?q=sd.kfz.234+4+panzerspahwagen&biw=1600&bih=720&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=cSnMUsrQBYnTqgHztYHgAw&ved=0CCkQsAQ

Jokem (talk) 16:25, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Which one is it?
"front armour in July 1942.


 * Sd. Kfz. 231

This was the standard reconnaissance variant built from 1937 to 1941. From July 1941, any need for a 231 was fulfilled by producing a 232 without the additional radio equipment. The official name was 'Schwerer Panzerspähwagen'' Sd. Kfz. 231 (8-rad)'''.


 * Sd. Kfz. 232

The Sd. Kfz. 232 (8-Rad), which was produced from 1938 to 1943, was a 231 with additional medium range radio sets and a large frame aerial. From 1942, a small Sternantenne ('star aerial') replaced the frame aerial, a modification retrofitted to older models. The official name was 'Schwerer Panzerspähwagen'' (Fu) Sd. Kfz. 232 (8-rad)'''."

So after 1941 any 231s were just 232s built without radio equipment. But a 232 is just a 231 with extra radios added. So what exactly is the difference? Did they build 232s with the frame antenna but no actual radios instead of building different types? Or is there more to making a 232 than adding radios? Does it apply to having the brackets, etc included where the radios would go, but they simply don't install them in vehicles that don't require them? Idumea47b (talk) 02:12, 8 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Different chassis for 231/232 up to 1941, unified chassis from 1942 on (production series 4+). Very likely the later versions had provisions to use the space of the long range radio set for additional ammo. Attachment points and internal cabling for external antennas was likely present as well.--Denniss (talk) 03:17, 8 May 2024 (UTC)