Talk:Scotch bonnet (sea snail)

It looks good
Grammar looks alright, but I miss the old image. It was beautiful. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 22:50, 16 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes. They were lovely images but... although they were uploaded to the Commons as Semicassis granulata, it turned out that the snails were from Italy, and so they were images of a similar but Mediterranean species, Semicassis undulata. Those images are now illustrating that species article stub, which is brand new. Best, Invertzoo (talk) 16:07, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The Mediterranean sea snail is now considered to be a subspecies of the western Atlantic one, so the nice image is back again! Invertzoo (talk) 21:02, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
 * But now that snail is considered to be a separate species once again, so it is gone again! Invertzoo (talk) 14:09, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

Gulf coast in Florida
The current Distribution text implies that the west coast of Florida is part of the East coast of USA. Should this be changed? --Ettrig (talk) 11:53, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * No, it should not be changed. The East Coast of the United States is defined as the coast of the eastern states. Likewise the Gulf Coast of the United States is defined as the coast of the Gulf states. Peculiarly, this means the the coast of Florida belongs to both the Gulf Coast and the East Coast, so the separation made in this article is a bit awkward. --Ettrig (talk) 12:57, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Geez Ettrig - you are not going schizophrenic on us.... are you!!!? I still have high hopes for the Bog Turtle and was counting on your help. --JimmyButler (talk) 19:47, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I think you mean dual personality. This confusion is mentioned in schizophrenia. I still think it is very odd that Miami is considered to be on the Gulf Coast. I issued an ultimatum concerning plagiarizing in Bog Turtle. As a consequence I moved focus when they persisted. Very good article though. Thought your project has ended for this time. Really hope you come back in the fall. --Ettrig (talk) 20:03, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Come back?--NYMFan69-86 (talk) 04:17, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * This is the 2nd time Mr Butler requests that his AP Biology students write Wikipedia articles. I hope he will do this again. I do not hope he is going inactive on Wikipedia in between the AP Biology courses. But I expect him to do and hope he will come back with a new class after that. What am I missing here? --Ettrig (talk) 12:09, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * No, no, come back to the bog turtle?--NYMFan69-86 (talk) 01:58, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

References need checking and many need replacing
I cleaned up the article a fair bit, but I have not checked the references. This needs to be done carefully to make sure they clearly support the facts presented in the text of the article.

Note: Reference number 13 is not from a North Carolina government site, despite the fact that the site has what looks like an "official" seal, it is in fact a private organization. The Scotch Bonnet piece there was clearly written by an amateur, and it contains a lot of misleading information that was cobbled together from a lot of sources, most of which are not mentioned on the site. It would be better to remove all of the information that relies on that one source, which is cited 17 times! Perhaps we can track down better sources for a lot of the info. For example, in that essay, the phrase about the species laying heaps or towers of eggs is taken from "A Guide to Field Identification, Sea shells of North America" by R. Tucker Abbott, 1968, but the fact was a description of the whole family Cassidae! This particular species lays towers of eggs, not heaps, as is shown in an illustration in that same book, page 117. I changed the text, but did not change the reference yet. Invertzoo (talk) 17:27, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
 * If I not mistaken, the North Carolina Wildlife Commission is a division of North Carolina state government. They provide numerous educational outlets including research centers and educational publications. The NC Wild documents are developed by the Division of Conservation Education, N.C. Wildlife Resources Commission. Whether Sarah Friday is an amateur; I've no way of knowing :) Their more current documents are most impressive and are available as pdf's Cheers!--JimmyButler (talk) 14:17, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Apparently she is also an expert on Crayfish - She is probably one of the million Marine Biology Majors out of UNC-Wilmington that couldn't get a job in field so they became an environmental educator --JimmyButler (talk) 14:24, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your note Jimmy. Could you possibly give me a link that would clarify this? NC Envirothon is a non-governmental non-profit company, and that "North Carolina Wild" page is situated on their website. How can I confirm that "North Carolina Wild" documents are developed by North Carolina Wildlife Commission, a government agency? The only site I can find for "North Carolina Wild" is an on-line store. I can't find "North Carolina Wild" on the NC wildlife.org site. There seems to be only "North Carolina Wildlife", not "North Carolina Wild" a sort of sound-alike. I expect you are a lot more familiar with all this than I am, so maybe you can point me in the right direction. Thanks. Invertzoo (talk) 15:41, 9 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Maybe the name changed between 1997 and now? Invertzoo (talk) 18:53, 9 March 2010 (UTC)


 * The North Carolina Wildlife Commission produced a series of pamphlets entitled NC Wild providing a synopsis of various animals in North Carolina. They are somewhat dated and have since been replaced with more upscale documents located as pdf files here: . If you notice at the bottom of the NC Wild Document on the Scotch Bonnet used as a reference under Credits:


 * Written by Sarah Friday. Illustrated by J.T. Newman. Produced January 1997 by the Division of Conservation Education, N.C. Wildlife Resources Commission.


 * Sarah Friday still publishes documents for NC Wildlife commission, note the one on Crayfish which authored. Hope this helped.--JimmyButler (talk) 18:15, 9 March 2010 (UTC)


 * OK, I see. Thanks. I did look at the new crayfish profile. I suppose the name of the department changed between between 1997 and now, i.e. it used to be NC Wild and is now NC Wildlife. Invertzoo (talk) 19:00, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Occurs?
The "Distribution" section mentions that the shell "occurs." I know this is nit-picky, and someone better acquainted with shells/general copyediting should probably weigh in, but this seems like strange phrasing. Strombollii (talk) 18:10, 16 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Strombollii. Thanks for your comment. I think "occurs in" is a very commonly-used phrase in these kinds of contexts. If you google "species occurs in North Atlantic" you will get, for example, from the Encyclopedia of Marine Mammals: "the northern counterpart occurs in both the North Atlantic and North Pacific". You can also use the phrase "is found in". However I just now rewrote the intro sentence of the Distribution section to add more info and that avoided the necessity of using a phrase like this. Best wishes, Invertzoo (talk) 15:53, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

The archive?
I can't work out what happened to the archive of talk page messages prior to January 2010. I know there were extensive discussions on here from the class projects, but the archive page is empty, even though the edit history shows all the messages. Invertzoo (talk) 11:09, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Working towards GA
Please any interested parties, keep an eye on this talk page and the article itself and help work to get this article to pass the GA review. Thank you everyone. Invertzoo (talk) 11:16, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Disambiguation
Could someone with greater skill than myself (basically most people who visit this website) create a disambiguation list for this article and the article on the pepper plant by the same name? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.144.213.97 (talk) 00:07, 25 December 2015 (UTC)