Talk:Scott Boras

Citations Needed
Two paragraphs at the end regarding A-Rod's new contract need citations especially since there are words quoted. ie "selfish", "bad advice", "just talk".

I'm wondering why Boras' monkeys deleted the line about him losing Kenny Rogers as a client? God forbid anything truthful appears next to his name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.28.29.115 (talk) 00:59, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Jason Varitek and no-trade clause
The section about Jason Varitek mentions something about how they set up a rule in the Red Sox that no player who'd been on the team for 8+ years could be traded. It further says that Varitek is the only player this applies to. This is not true. Tim Wakefield currently has the longest tenure on the Red Sox. Manny Ramirez would have applied as well, but he was traded before the end of his 8th season. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.18.242.65 (talk) 09:54, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Mark Prior Contract
The section dealing with contracts Boras has negotiated includes one he negotiated for Mark Prior that mentions it has performance incentives. The entry says that this makes it one of his "most intriguing" contracts, but I'm not sure why. Many contracts have performance incentives. What's different about this one? There's no citation, either. I think we should delete that bit if no one has further explanation. --Alta-Snowbird 16:32, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Recent anonymous additions
I removed a lot of the "Boras Client List" section that appeared in this diff of the article. Most of the additions had some POV problems, had little to do with Boras himself, and read like they came from a newspaper column. See the Manual of Style and NPOV tutorial for more information. --Idont Havaname 03:34, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Also, there was some speculation in that version of the page too. Please remember that Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. --Idont Havaname 03:37, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

I removed this paragraph as it has no citation and AROD did not even negotiate with the Yankees as they already had a SS named Jeter. "After the 2000 season, Boras negotiated a contract with the New York Yankees for his client Alex Rodriguez. An argument over souvenir selling rights broke out which neither side will admit to starting."wow

I removed the part that someone posted, un-sourced, about Scott Boras favoring the New York Yankees. Someone posted that this favoritism is apparently the reason why Boston can't sign Dice Matzsusake. Un-sourced and no basis for the statement. Everyone knows that the real reason there was a holdup in the Dice K deal was because Boras forced them to sign JD Drew first.

Profanity
Can somebody remove that? I clearly don't see where it's embedded into the code. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.166.144.188 (talk) 18:21, 12 December 2006 (UTC).

Controversy
The whole section seems very 'anti-Boras'. Kelvinator 19:07, 13 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I think my edits have made it pretty NPOV (the title is now "criticism"). Please remove the tag if you agree.  --C S (Talk) 12:02, 28 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Well after all the recent edits, the result is that my summary of critics views has basically been removed. The interested party can look it up in the page history.  Additionally, the oft-stated nickname of "baseball's most hated man" has been removed subsequent to a mysterious deletion of its supporting citation.  This is something of a shame.  Those not baseball fans will probably not realize the extent to which he is criticized; it's not coincidence, after all, that this nickname is mentioned or alluded to in both articles in the external links.  In any case, I did what I could, and it seems (cf the NOR and BLP violations about Boras' degrees) nobody's really interested in keeping this page in good shape anyway.  --C S (Talk) 17:02, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

It should be. Boras and Rodroguez disrespected the entire sport last night by cancelling a huge contract by leaving a voice mail on a Sunday afternoon, and announcing it during a World Series game while it was getting played. Boras is despised in both New York and Boston...for treating the Yankees like some bad date you dump on the phone and by trying to upstage the Red Sox on one of their greatest nights. And the League office is livid

This clone of Gordon Gekko ought to get what he deserves in this article for this stunt —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.14.84.60 (talk) 23:28, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Someone ought to link to this article

http://www.examiner.com/a-1029310~Frantz__Boras_gone_would_help_A_Rod.html?cid=rss-San_Francisco —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.14.84.60 (talk) 11:48, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

David Beckham contract
David Beckham's contract has been cited as 250 million, but that includes endorsement money. Alex Rodriguez still has the largest contract, since his is actual money the team will pay him. If you included all of A-rod's endorsement money, he would have a much bigger deal. I'm going to change the section unless anyone has any objections. 147.155.82.23 00:07, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

well, as of today A-Rod's contract is worth zero, since he tore up the one he had with the Yankees —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.14.84.60 (talk) 01:50, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

That doesn't change the fact that it did exist.

Speculation and misrepresentation of criticism
Here is Alta-Snowbird's version (which s/he insists on re-instating into the article): His critics claim that the Boras' contracts hurt the game because some teams are unwilling to pay for high priced free agents, though he could argue that securing the most lucrative contract possible is his primary job as agent.

Here is the version that I prefer: "His critics claim that Boras' big money contracts hurt the game, for example, by widening the gap between rich and poor teams, and may not always be beneficial for the players he represents"

Alta-Snowbird's speculation on what Boras could say to defend himself, is just that, speculation. AFAIK, Boras has never made such defensive remarks regarding his activities. Such speculation should be sourced or it is otherwise unsuitable for Wikipedia. Secondly, Alta-Snowbird also removes specific reasons why critics criticize Boras, and replaces it with a more vague, less-compelling reason. The concern is over accelerating the growing disparity between big money and small money teams. In other words, the long term effect on major league baseball as a whole is seen as detrimental by these critics. Alta-snowbird's wording is less clear about why the contracts could hurt MLB. Also, critics (in the reference cited) claim that Boras's deals are not always beneficial for the players (not the right team, not the right setting, too much pressure, etc.). The criticism is not just about the money. I also noted that strangely Alta-Snowbird's replaced "unable to pay" with "unwilling to pay". Like in other businesses, some teams are indeed unable to pay the bucks. Suggesting otherwise is deceptive. --C S (talk) 01:37, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Your criticism about what Boras could say being speculation is fair and I have not reincluded it in subsequent edits. That being said, I don't think it's inaccurate to say that securing lucrative contracts is one of his main jobs and a neutral editor should be cognizant of that when describing his critics. Teams are not forced to sign his players and he can only get what the market will bear. Further, I think the phrase "unwilling to pay" is considerably more accurate than "unable to pay". Baseball teams are generally owned by people with hundreds of millions, if not billions of dollars. (Richest owner in baseball? Carl Pohlad of the 'small money' Twins) If an owner wants a player, nearly all of them *can* pay the money. --Alta-Snowbird (talk) 16:22, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

College players represented by Scott Boras
Since minor leaguers represented by Boras are listed, I think it would be useful to list some of the notable college players that he represents as well. The only example that I'm aware of is Stephen Strasburg, but there are doubtlessly others. Im.a.lumberjack (talk) 14:18, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Severe POV issues
This article seems to have been written by Boras or someone working for him. The entire thing is designed to paint him in a favorable light, leaving out repeated examples of malfeasance by Boras. It notably ignores what Boras did with Alex Rodriguez in 1993 and 2007, getting in the way of A-Rod's being able to sign. A-Rod and his camp had to circumvent Boras both times to get a deal done.  Enigma msg  01:44, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Changes?
Wouldn't a table make more sense for the list of all his clients? That way they could be setup to be sorted by name, team, league, major/minor, most recent contract info and maybe add in an easy outside reference column as well?

Also, for all the high profile negotiations, that is awfully big, shouldn't it be split off into a different article? and I think it should be changed in title from "high profile" to "notable" instead, like someone else mentions, the whole article has a big POV problem. manual signature added- from history page- 15 April 2015‎ 74.104.150.176 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wfoj3 (talk • contribs) 15:16, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

Multiple items
Work needed- I'd suggest - split this into several articles - a list of his clients and contracts won, one an article on him, one article on his company, and then one item on his influence upon Baseball and Sports. his work and effort may be very significant and helpful (especially financially) for him and his clients, but in my opinion his is NOT absolutely positive to the sport of Baseball as a whole. Wfoj3 (talk) 15:21, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

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