Talk:Scott Rush

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the picture is the same for scott rush and for Michael Czugaj. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.32.8.164 (talk • contribs)


 * I used Rush's image to illustrate the article as both Czugaj and Rush were close friends from Brisbane before arrest. I've since removed it. -- Longhair 06:22, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

A crime
Criminals or non-criminals, it is an act against innate human divinity to hand over English speakers to feudal-language nations’ officialdom. It can erode the core of human dignity, that is the rightful possession of all human beings. --Ved from Victoria Institutions (talk) 12:52, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually no one handed over anyone. Scott Rush and the other Bali Nine choose to go to another country of their own free will, choose to commit a crime there which they knew full well was a crime (whether they knew the possible sentence is in dispute) and were caught. It's true the AFP did inform the Indonesian police that they had information these people were going to commit a crime, but that's a far cry from handing 'English speakers to feudal-language nations officialdom' and such cooperation is the international norm and you can rest assured the Australian or UK government and people would be rather pissed if the Indonesian authorities don't inform the Australian or UK government or police when they have information people are going to commit crimes in Australia or the UK. Note that unless these people had commited crimes in Australia (which some of them apparently had, although it would likely have been difficult to prove), there is no way the Australian authorities could have definitely prevented them visiting Indonesia, to detain them without due cause would clearly be a violation of their rights, at best they could have told them they were under surveilance in which case they probably wouldn't have willingly visited Indonesia, but we will never know, these people were clearly pretty stupid to be committing such crimes in the first place. Doing that would have made it difficult for anyone to pursue these people some of who had evidentally already commited criminal acts in Indonesia and Australia. (Waiting for them to arrive back in Australia would have meant not informing the Indonesia police about people who were going to commit criminal acts in Indonesia, and would have been very controversial if these people had done anything else, e.g. harmed people during the commission of their crimes.) And note that several criminals in Indonesia and Australia have been apprehended or in one case killed as a result of this case, and it's entirely possible none of this would have happened were it not for the cooperation between authorities and apprehension and information garned from these criminals. And note we also don't know what would have happened if these AFP hadn't done anything, it's possible the Indonesian authorities would have uncovered their criminal actions anyway. P.S. It's not clear to me if all of the Bali Nine has English as their first language. Would it be acceptable for these people to be handed over to feudal-language nations officialdom? For that matter, do you mean to say you think it would be fine to actually hand them over to say the Singaporean authorities even if they would face the death penalty given that English is an official and widely used language there, it's only wrong to hand them over to the Indonesian authorites since they speak a 'feudal language'? Nil Einne (talk) 01:30, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

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