Talk:Scott Tucker (businessman)

Wiki spammers
I've just spent an annoying morning removing spam from a wiki by Scott Tucker payday loans. Are such dubious business practices worthy of mention in a Wikipedia article, given that they can be verified? Conrad Leviston (talk) 00:20, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

sources?
Those disruptive socks may have a point. Where are the sources? This information needs to be verified. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:22, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Payday Lending
I think something should definitely be mentioned about this: http://www.iwatchnews.org/2011/09/26/6605/payday-lending-bankrolls-auto-racers-fortune

It seams very important to me, ideas??? SchellZ (talk) 05:03, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * This is going to turn into a complete mess... This article is already heavily watched by PR people for Tucker and his racing team, I can already foresee problems with content disputes.


 * WP:BLP is going to have to be stringently followed. State only what the reliable sources state, and do not give undue weight.  As this is at the moment only an accusation and not something proven in a trial, it is not something I would consider "very important" in terms of the article as a whole.  A section on Tucker's personal life, with this information included, is likely the best way of entry into the article for this item.  The359  ( Talk ) 05:26, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I have given the article a start for a personal section. There is nothing specific to the current investigations as they need to be handled delicately, but there is at least a mention of his activities outside of auto racing.  The359  ( Talk ) 20:18, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Agree. It is all accusation and there is a significant shortage of facts in the iwatch piece. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.94.89.205 (talk) 12:59, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * That's not actually what I said, the story is also backed by CBS News. Tucker being named in the investigation is a fact.  The359  ( Talk ) 18:33, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

There's such a "shortage of facts" that the Federal Trade Commission has today charged AMG Services and Tucker specifically with abusive lending practices. Have inserted a short paragraph with the latest and hope that this too is not removed by the people who keep trying to keep this information out of this entry. 99.191.106.234 (talk) 15:58, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
 * No one is trying to keep information out of this article, we are trying to maintain facts instead of accusations and keep the article balanced in its coverage of all aspects of Tucker's life, as per encyclopedic policy on Wikipedia. The359  ( Talk ) 19:23, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

I agree that this issue should be raised and posted. Scott Tucker and his brother are the owners of a network of Payday Loan companies, associated with the Siox Nation. The FTC notes them as OWNERS. All of the lending companies are illegal operations in all 50 states. However, the hide under the guise of, "Independant (Indian) Nation" status. The FTC notes that the Tucker brothers violated federal law, and in addition collected $40,000,000 from the loan scam to fund their racing career. How is that not relevant? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:558:6045:16:2502:505D:E34B:6217 (talk) 16:30, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
 * This information is already "raised and posted". What exactly are you adding to the article by repeating the information, and putting it in its own section?  The359  ( Talk ) 17:58, 31 August 2013 (UTC)


 * It expands upon a rather brief statement concerning a situation so enormous that the federal government has stepped in to address it. I'd say conducting interstate fraud in all 50 states, and $40,000,000 being funneled through a pseudo racing organization is worthy of a little more than a single sentence. Or should NASA have just said, "We went to the moon once."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mthrasher27 (talk • contribs) 23:12, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
 * First, he's accused of fraud, not convicted of fraud (in this particular case, that is, not discussing the previous fraud conviction). Please be aware of the guidelines for Biographies of Living People.  Second, this is not enormous.  The FTC goes after all kinds of people for all kinds of things.  In the grand scheme of the article, this is minor.  We cannot have too much bias towards one subject matter.  His legal issues are discussed succintly where they should be.  See for instance Bill Whittington and John Paul, Jr.  Third, I'm not sure how Level 5 is a pseudo racing organization.  Although the where the money comes to run the team is at issue, they are still a company that has participated in international racing, and employs professional drivers, engineers, and crewmen.  The359  ( Talk ) 05:34, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Well to address the now deleted nonsense, I never stated anything about whether or not the FTC had a winnable case, just that at the moment there is a massive difference between a charge and a conviction. Innocent until proven guilty is the term, last I checked.  As for the fact that it is interstate fraud, is not really any different from normal fraud, just that Tucker owns businesses that operate in several states.  Not exactly difficult to go from a fraud charge to an interstate fraud charge nowadays with dotcoms and whatnot.  Further, I don't recall any statement for or against Scott Tucker, rather my defense is of Wikipedia policy of undue weight and strict guidelines of Biographies of Living Persons.  In fact, if you had taken a moment to read the other sections of this talk page, or had any look at this article history, you might see how much effort I've had to waste trying to keep Scott Tucker's PR people from controlling this article and turning it into their own soapbox.


 * Now, if you want to address the points I made previously regarding similar articles of racing drivers who were convicted of appropriating their racing funds through illegal means, as well as your odd statement about the veracity of his racing team, feel free. However, please become more aware of Wikipedia policies before attempting to push a point of view, because just as this article will not be used as a soapbox for Tucker's public relations people to promote him, it will also not be used as a soapbox to denounce him.  The359  ( Talk ) 04:04, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Edit request from, 7 October 2011

 * (Content moved from template talk:copypaste. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 11:49, 7 October 2011 (UTC))

I don't understand why this template is here. I have reviewed the website and this content and there is no copy/paste infringement going on here. What is the process of getting the template removed, and how soon can this be completed.

Tdpunkyb1 (talk) 01:07, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The Duplication Detector report still lists several statements which have not been edited since they were originally copied from tucker-racing.com. Your "review" does not agree with the report.  The template can be removed when someone decides to write an original article, rather than copying and pasting it from somewhere else.  The359  ( Talk ) 04:20, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

I have also checked the first 20 results returned by the Duplication Detector report. There are no matches between the pages. The Duplication Detector report seems to be picking up common proper nouns (the names of cities, race tracks, etc.) and not truly duplicate content. There is no copy and paste going on between the two sites. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Level5Motorsports (talk • contribs) 18:35, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Copyright infringement does not require copying of a full, complete sentence. The first 20 entries in the duplication detector show large segments of sentences and paragraphs that are still word for word shared with tucker-racing.com.  The duplication detector is not simply picking up nouns, it is picking up entire segments where 20+ words are identical from both pages.  That's a clear case of copy and paste, even if the beginning or end of the full sentence has somehow been changed, most likely by me when I cleaned up the article several weeks ago so that it was no longer a PR piece.


 * Further, according to this edit summary, the defense given is that the text on tucker-racing.com had in fact been copied from Wikipedia. In other words, there is an admission of copying and pasting.  This, of course, is also copyright infringement as Wikipedia is itself copyrighted and licensed under Creative Commons Attributed-ShareAlike 3.0, and nowhere on tucker-racing.com is there any indication that the text supposedly came from Wikipedia.  But this ignores the fact that the text from tucker-racing.com was not added to Wikipedia until well after tucker-racing.com existed.


 * So basically in summary, people are copying and pasting, they're infringing on copyrights, and the template will remain until someone can write an original Wikipedia article without copying the text from somewhere else. Pretty simple.  The359  ( Talk ) 09:31, 21 October 2011 (UTC)


 * To add some extra context for 359's first paragraph, read WP:Close paraphrasing. Spyder_Monkey (Talk) 00:50, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Netflix episode featuring
Is this noteriety worthy for inclusion? I think so with proper citation. Wikipietime (talk) 00:03, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Me too, I've put some text and a citation at the end of the lede section. Regards Hughesdarren (talk) 00:41, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Far more people will know that he's a crook than ever knew about his racing activities. We're not talking about a Dale Earnhardt level racer here.  In fact, the title of the article should be "Scott Tucker (loanshark)".  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.231.167.121 (talk) 15:54, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

Software engineer?
The article currently states that he was a "software engineer". I don't think that's accurate. He was CEO of the tech organisation behind the payday loans companies. There is no evidence whatsoever that he is a software engineer. An engineer for ruining people's lives surely, but not a software engineer. That needs brains. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.69.191.235 (talk) 13:38, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Scott Tucker (racing driver) -> Scott Tucker (racketeer)
I wonder if this guy is more notable as a race car driver, or a racketeer. If the latter, should we change the name? NickCT (talk) 23:52, 15 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Given the relative popularity and severity of pro-am sportscar racing and millions of individuals being defrauded, I tend to agree. As an alternative, perhaps adding his middle name (Alan) to disambiguate from the other Scott Tuckers? Bakkster Man (talk) 18:12, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
 * This guy isn't a "businessman" he's a criminal. Defrauding consumers isn't a business, it's a crime. 47.188.129.125 (talk) 00:22, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 20 May 2019

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Most editors agree that "Scott Alan Tucker" is not the common name of the individual, but there is no consensus on the most appropriate way to disambiguate the article. (non-admin closure) —  Newslinger  talk   06:16, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Scott Tucker (racing driver) → Scott Alan Tucker – Full name is a more appropriate disambiguation, given the complexities of his two most well-known categories (racing driver and the target of the largest FTC judgment in history). While it would be inappropriate to change the category to 'criminal' or otherwise, it also seems inappropriate to disambiguate him by his hobby of racing, especially given the way that hobby was funded and that he is no longer most well known for his racing. From [|Google Trends] we can see that his search popularity while racing (final race in 2014) was matched by searches around the FTC fine (2016) and dwarfed by them around the federal indictment for TILA (2018). Proposing the use of his full name, Scott Alan Tucker, as an appropriate, neutral, and unambiguous title. Bakkster Man (talk) 00:02, 20 May 2019 (UTC) --Relisting.  SITH   (talk)   10:41, 27 May 2019 (UTC)  --Relisting. DannyS712 (talk) 21:07, 10 June 2019 (UTC) 206.246.131.208 (talk) 01:50, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Opposed proposed move. Yes, maybe he needs another disambiguator, but we don't use middle names unless they are commonly used. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:30, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Relisting note:, do you have any alternative proposals for disambiguation which may gain more support per 's comment? Many thanks,   SITH   (talk)   10:41, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment What about Scott Tucker (businessman)? It was his business that funded his racing career and which led to the criminal charges against him. Colin M (talk) 15:35, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm content with (businessman). Bakkster Man (talk) 22:56, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Move to Scott Tucker (payday lender) or Scott Tucker (businessman) or Scott Tucker (racketeer). His racing career was secondary to (and enabled by) his business. —BarrelProof (talk) 22:22, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Move to Scott Tucker (Payday Lender. He had over $1 billion taken from him in an FTC judgement, his relevance is mostly from his "business" dealings. A recent Kansas City Star article used the title Scott Tucker (Payday lender) which identifies him clearly.
 * Oppose because he doesn't use his middle name. I'm okay with moving to a different page.--Ortizesp (talk) 00:29, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose Scott Alan Tucker as sources do not introduce him by his middle name. I was leaning "oppose" the other suggestions due to WP:BLP concerns.  However, I see he is in trouble in relation to payday loans racketeering starting 1991, first conviction, until 2032 when he is due for release.  He is notable for two independent reasons, neither doing justice alone.  I suggest going to the standard format for difficult cases with no unique COMMONNAME, that being Scott Tucker (born 1962).  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 05:30, 24 June 2019 (UTC)


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Requested move 29 June 2019

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The result of the move request was: moved.  Calidum   03:49, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

Scott Tucker (racing driver) → Scott Tucker (businessman) – Per prior discussion, matching common disambiguation practice. Article as currently written focuses more on his business (and related conviction) than his hobby. Bakkster Man (talk) 12:56, 29 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Support per nom/previous RM discussion. More WP:RECOGNIZABLE. "criminal" or "racketeer" (as suggested in earlier RM), might be even more recognizable, but I guess there are WP:NDESC issues there. Colin M (talk) 15:35, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Support. Seems obvious. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:40, 4 July 2019 (UTC)


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Las Vegas
Scott is placed in Wiki categories of people from Vegas, but nothing in the article indicates any connection he has to Vegas, but rather to Kansas City, Missouri. Can someone source Las Vegas as his origin, or shall the categories be changed to reflect KC? IndySteve (talk) 02:36, 15 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Seems he was living in Vegas, not sure that would count as being from there. Bakkster Man (talk) 19:21, 15 October 2022 (UTC)