Talk:Scottish Baroque music

Original research
--Deskford (talk) 23:09, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) Is there any evidence that William Marshall, Niel Gow or Nathaniel Gow are regarded as Baroque? There doesn't seem to be in their individual articles.
 * 2) Is there any evidence that Cape Breton music has origins in Scottish Baroque music, rather than Scottish traditional music?


 * No 1 -- no. The article in the New Grove classifies them (and discusses them) under the subheading "Traditional music" rather than "art music."  There were "art music" composers during the time in Scotland, such as William McGibbon, Charles McLean (they list a few there; never heard their music myself).  No 2 -- I think it would be hard to make a case that it is related to that tiny appendage of actual "Baroque" music, largely copied from elsewhere in Europe, rather than the robust and ubiquitous traditional music.  If the article were "Scottish 17th and 18th century music" than this would be a different matter -- but applying the word "baroque" to all the music of Scotland during that time is probably inappropriate.  (That's a problem we have often on Wikipedia, and has occurred elsewhere -- for example that music written in Spain or Portugal after 1600 must have been -- Baroque!) Antandrus  (talk) 00:11, 11 January 2010 (UTC)


 * There are a couple of major problems with the idea of Scottish Baroque music. First, the Baroque style was associated with Catholicism and so was rather unwelcome in largely Presbyterian Scotland. Second, after the English borrowed the Stuart monarchy from 1603/4, and didn't give it back, the centre of court patronage for music disappeared from Scotland. Since many major composers in the style (Like Handel) were from the continent, they tended to operate in and around London, where the court was located and were unlikely to venture north. I agree that "Scottish 17th and 18th music" is a better title for this sort of material and would a lot more to have a go at.--''' SabreBD  (talk ) 00:28, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
 * After three years and no objections I redirected the page to Classical music in Scotland. The stuff about more traditional musicians like the Gows will probably go elsewhere.--  SabreBD  (talk ) 12:32, 22 October 2013 (UTC)