Talk:Scout Moor Wind Farm/Archive 1

Key facts
The key facts all come from one source. Do they need a seperate reference for each fact? Richerman (talk) 11:39, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I think I've got around that by adjusting the table. :) --Jza84 | Talk  12:15, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


 * That's a good compromise - do you think it's ready for GA review now? Richerman (talk) 12:20, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I think we're ready for it. I'm impressed! --Jza84 | Talk  15:44, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Nominated with this sig. --Jza84 | Talk  16:31, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Total _X_ displaced per annum
The figures on "Total X displaced per annum" are assuming some displacement of fossil fuel, but which? Presumably coal, but it needs explaining. —WWoods (talk) 17:41, 6 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I think it means the ammount of CO2 saved per year by using the wind farm instead of fossil fuels, therefore there is no need to say which fossil fuels. Nev1 (talk) 17:50, 6 November 2008 (UTC)


 * The figures are taken from the reference given which doesn't give an explanation, but where does the figure for the capacity factor come from? It's not in the reference that's used for the rest of the key facts. Richerman (talk) 10:11, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


 * True, it's not explained but since it came under "enviromental beneits" I think that's what it means. I have no idea what a "capacity factor" is, let a lone where the reference is. It was added by User:Wwoods so he's the person to ask. Nev1 (talk) 13:19, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I presume he means the the capacity of the whole wind farm, as 65MW is what it generates (?). --Jza84 | Talk  13:28, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


 * So you think he means the proportion of 65MW generated by each turbine? I don't think so, if they all contribute an equal amount the factor be 1/26 (0.04). I'll ask him. Nev1 (talk) 13:35, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Well there is a definition at capacity factor but from what I've gleaned from that it should be something like 20 - 40% so what the figure of 0.27 means is a mystery. Richerman (talk) 14:34, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, 0.27 is 27%; if you want to make the number a percentage rather than a fraction, go ahead. I got the figure by converting the given "Electricity generated per annum" from 154,000 MW-h/yr to 17.6 MW-yr/yr (24×365.25 hr/yr), and dividing by the maximum possible 65 MW-yr/yr. The result is dimensionless. I guess a link to Capacity factor is in order.
 * —WWoods (talk)


 * The amount of CO2 saved per year depends on which fossil fuel is displaced by wind power. On second thought, it's probably natural gas, not coal, that would have been burned. It makes a difference.
 * —WWoods (talk) 16:14, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * See Carbon footprint, but also note that the U.K.'s North Sea gas fields are now in terminal decline, so the fossil fuel fuel mix may have to shift back to the more abundant but relatively dirtier coal over time. Incidentally, the confusion over terms such as capacity factor and nameplate capacity should vanish with a careful reading of the Wind power article. To provide more technical background in the Scout Moor Wind Farm article, I added the Wind power navigation template. --Teratornis (talk) 20:19, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Re-assessed as A class?
Congratulations to those involved in bringing this article to GA. Well done! But now I see it has been re-assessed as A-class, and I'm wondering if due process has been followed. Has the re-assessment been done by impartial reviewers, per Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment/A-Class criteria? Johnfos (talk) 23:22, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, the A-class isn't a formally assessed tier of appraisal. It's achieved GA, and is approaching FA, so surely this isn't contentious? :S --Jza84 | Talk  23:25, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


 * As explained at Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment/A-Class criteria, the proposal to promote to A-Class should be made on the article's talk page and supported there by two uninvolved editors, with no significant opposes. I know that with WP:Energy if we don't follow this procedure things will simply get out of hand, with individuals promoting energy articles from GA to A just on a whim. Johnfos (talk) 01:52, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Sounds like an awful lot of Wikilawyering and redtape to me. What happened to WP:BOLD and WP:IAR? I frequently reassess articles, including those I've been involved with. WP:GM has monthly updates on progress and doesn't have the numbers of editors to make this happen via 2 uninvolved editors - if we waited for that our assessment would rapidly descend into redundancy.


 * I'm about to run this page through FAC, so it seems appropriate to be an A-class. If you want to oppose it, then sure, I'll wait on the nomination before we get 2 uninvolved editors to support this with no significant opposes.... What happens if nobody comes along? We wait? I'm not going to get hung up on the assessment when vandalism to the page went un-noticed.... --Jza84 | Talk  12:22, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

I've long considered the A class rating to be pretty pointless and arbitrary anyway. So I don't see it makes much difference whether this article's an A or a GA, especially as it's going to FAC soon anyway. The Version 1.0 Editorial Team may assess articles in any way it likes, but I don't see why that ought to matter to anyone else. --Malleus Fatuorum 14:35, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * On the whole, I agree with Malleus, I don't personally use A-class and feel they're pretty much unnecessary. I was under the impression it was awarded by a project by project basis anyway. I've only really see it be productive in WP:MILHIST where they have A-class reviews as a step before FAC and an alternative to peer review, however they are a massive project with 100s of members. Nev1 (talk) 16:41, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Perhaps the key here is to go for FAC? --Jza84 | Talk  16:51, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I think so, passing would certainly end this discussion ;-) Nev1 (talk) 16:55, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree with Johnfos and I also agree with Malleus. Passing FAC will definitely end this discussion. For A rating, I think that deep review is needed and as was said by Johnfos, at least two uninvolved editors should support this.Beagel (talk) 21:11, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Would we all be willing to pull together to make this FAC happen? :) --Jza84 | Talk  21:15, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm in, I think we should persuade Richerman to nominate. Nev1 (talk) 21:19, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Sure.Beagel (talk) 21:33, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * If someone wants to nominate it that's fine by me - I'll gladly pitch in to help with any changes needed. Richerman (talk) 16:05, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


 * To get the ball rolling I'll nominate this article now, but I won't take any credit for it as I've contributed as near as damnit nothing to it. --Malleus Fatuorum 22:41, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, it's at FAC now. Brace yourselves everyone. :lol: --Malleus Fatuorum 23:12, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm fully braced! Richerman (talk) 11:51, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

NUAE?
What does "NUAE" stand for? I can't find it at. It's being used in ref 18. An FA reviewer has asked that it be spelled out. --Jza84 | Talk  11:44, 3 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't really see why he thinks it's important. It's the name of a German company "NAUE Geosynthetics Ltd". Their UK webite is at http://www.naue.com/content-e/ but they don't say what the letters stand for. As it will be in Geram it wouldn't mean much to a non-German speaker anyway. I'll change the title of the referenceRicherman (talk) 13:37, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

"2 miles of open moorland"
...from the opening paragraph. Shouldn't this be an area measurement? Is this 2 miles along the longest axis of the area, or what? El Pollo Diablo (Talk) 11:05, 10 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, but a source uses units of length. If we could find the area used by the wind farm, then yes, I think that's a go-er. --Jza84 | Talk  12:30, 10 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Found one - this document says (at the bottom of page 3) that the site occupies approximately 545 hectares (1347 acres). El Pollo Diablo (Talk) 13:12, 10 December 2008 (UTC)