Talk:Scouting in Arizona

Historical council information to be folded in
Historical council information to be folded in --User:Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 15:05, 15 September 2006


 * Arizona Globe Council 1916 1919 ended
 * Arizona 12 Prescott Council 12 1915 1921 changed name to Yavapai District Council 12 1921
 * Arizona 10 Phoenix 10 1921 1923 changed name to Maricopa County Council 10 1923
 * Arizona 10 Maricopa County 10 1923 1924 changed name to Roosevelt Council 10 1924
 * Arizona 12 Yavapai District 12 1922 1924 changed name to Yavapai & Mohave Counties Council 12 1924
 * Arizona 12 Yavapai and Mohave Counties 12 1924 1926 changed name to Yavapai-Mohave Council 12 1926
 * Arizona 715 Verde Council 715 1925 1927 merged into Yavapai-Mohave 12 1927
 * Arizona 9 Grand Canyon Council 9 1922 1929 merged into Yavapai-Mohave 12 1929
 * Arizona 12 Yavapai-Mohave 12 1926 1929 changed name to Northern Arizona Council (012) 1929
 * Arizona 12 Northern Arizona Council 12 1929 1934 disbanded Direct Service 1934
 * Arizona 7 Apache Council 7 1922 1934 merged into Roosevelt 10 1934
 * * Arizona 10 Roosevelt 10 1924 1961 changed name to Theodore Roosevelt Council 10 1961
 * Arizona 9 Three G Council 9 1943 1962 changed name to Copper (009) 1962
 * Arizona 9 Copper Council 9 1962 1977 merged into Theodore Roosevelt 10 1977
 * Arizona 12 Grand Canyon 12 1944 1993 January 1 reformed/merged into Grand Canyon Council 10 1993 January 1
 * Arizona 10 Theodore Roosevelt 10 1962 1993 January 1 merged into Grand Canyon Council 10 1993 January 1
 * Arizona 10 Grand Canyon Council 10 1993 January 1
 * Arizona 11 Tucson Council 1920 1922 changed name to Catalina 11 1922
 * Arizona 8 Cochise County Council 1922 1963 merged into Catalina 11 1963
 * Arizona 11 Catalina Council 1922


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed merge of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section, or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this section.  

The result was Merge complete. JERRY talk contribs 17:49, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Camp Raymond (BSA) merge
Camp Raymond (BSA) does not meet notability and should be merged. IF the Grand Canyon Council can be properly expanded, then it can be split into a separate article.


 * support --— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk  -  12:38, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * support-Phips (talk) 02:31, 30 January 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section, or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this section.

Correction to Scouting in Arizona, section on "Early history' and original sources
I wrote most of the section on The founding of the boy Scouts in Arizona. Several people have added and changed my original contribution back in 2011 (I think that was the year).

There now several things in this section that should be corrected and the citations should be updated:
 * in the first sentence, Fredrick Russell Burnham is listed as a co-founder as the boy scouts of America.
 * the citation is from a Resolution of the Roosevelt Council, Nov. 19, 1947.


 * the problem: although burnham was a scout with Baden Powell in Africa, he was not a 'co-founder' of the Boy Scouting programs in England or in the U.S.  I refer you to the Wiki article on the founding of the Boy Scouts of America.  If you need additional source, I can cite several printed books including information from the Boy Scouts of America national office. Burnham moved back to Arizona and worked with the Roosevelt Council until his death in 1947.


 * The three citations given by #2 are no longer available. The citation gives the website (and history) of the grand canyon council.  The council has removed the articles on their history. I am in the process of getting the original citations for the statements cited by #2.  I would like to retype this section slightly and then add the ORIGINAL citations (dated newspaper articles now microfilmed by the library of congress).  This ways the citation remains permanent instead so that they can be removed from a website and become a 'broken link'.


 * The second paragraph with the timing and location of scouting units. This needs to be change to be reordered by time and location AND WITH ORIGINAL CITATIONS.  The current citations found in #3 from the Otis H Chidelster Scout museum of southern Arizona.  Again the original information which I cited in my original article has been removed from their website.


 * I have found original sources which can be substituted for the citations from the museum


 * the third paragraph should be integrated into the second paragraph in the proper order of where and when.

NOW FOR MY QUESTION - Do I need permission to make these changes to the article, especially to the part which I wrote and submited? If so, to whom do I present my changes and get permission? If not, do I just rewrite the article with my citation and wait for someone to check it out?

Dilworth brinton jr (talk) 02:54, 2 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello, first of all, yes you can make the changes. Before you do, I suggest you get the section to look like what you think it should be. To that point, I copied the text of the page and made a sandbox for you: User:Dbrintonjr/sandbox. Second, have you tried looking at https://web.archive.org/web/20110716094048/http://www.azscoutmuseum.com or https://web.archive.org/web/20100317001048/http://www.doubleknot.com/openrosters/view_homepage.asp?orgkey=62 to see if the information is still online someplace? Finally, I would suggest using refence templates for all your citations. It will make it easier over the years to look back and verify the information if you do. YIS. --evrik (talk) 16:13, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Girl Scouting and Early History
I've done some quick updating on Girl Scouting but I wanted to note that the Early History section of the article is strictly Early History of the Boy Scouts of America (this is a problem across a lot of the Scouting in X state articles). --Erp (talk) 20:22, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I have updated about half of the Scouting in X state articles, and what you say is true. I do my best to clean-up the sections. How do you suggest we get more people to write the history of the GSUSA? --evrik (talk) 21:02, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I think part of the problem is fewer people have written about it so we don't have many secondary sources. If we are lucky someone from Cactus-Pines's history committee (or even some girl scouts near the museum) will notice the edits here and maybe hook in some sources.  I suspect there is some interesting history about Girl Scouts and the Navajo Nation and other Native American groups. BTW while doing some hunting I found a little info on The Golden Eaglet a 1918 20 minute film advertising Girl Scouts by showing the progress of one Girl Scout to the rank of Golden Eaglet (the top rank at that time) complete with a drama of helping a robbed and beaten telegraph operator. It was written by Josephine Daskam Bacon and might be significant enough for its own article. --Erp (talk) 22:49, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

pre-2018 Grand Canyon districts
per, At the beginning of 2018, Grand Canyon Council began restructuring districts. These are the pre-2018 districts. Seemed a shame to lose the info.
 * Apache District
 * AZ Route 66 District
 * Camelback District
 * Coronado District
 * Escudilla District
 * Firebird District
 * Four Peaks District
 * Gila District
 * Lake Pleasant District
 * Lake Powell District
 * Mesa District
 * Ocotillo District
 * Old Capital District
 * Picacho Peak District
 * Salt River District
 * San Tan District
 * Silvercreek District
 * Superstition District
 * Thunderbird District
 * Verde District
 * White Mountain District
 * Zane Grey District