Talk:Scouting in California/Archive 1

States
Would Wikipedians entertain the idea of having the Councils-by-state sections recategorized to "Scouting in Arizona", "Scouting in Washington", and so on, rather than a list of every council and district? The reason I would like this considered is

1) no other country's Scouting articles are divided into such minute details (except for The Scout Association of Hong Kong, and really, is that much minutiae important or interesting to the reader?)

2) many councils that a reader may choose to look up, like the Fitchburg Area Council of Massachusetts or the Vigilante Area Council of Montana, went extinct 30+ years ago, yet may be of interest in a more state-based article

3) many states like Alaska share a communal Scout history, only fairly recently being broken into smaller councils, others like North Dakota had several merged into one, and some Scouting histories are better told encompassing an entire state. The fact that Scouts in California prior to the charter of the BSA were the youth arm of the California Highway Patrol, or the fact that Connecticut, while having only eight counties, has had 22 councils over the course of its history, would be well-included in a statewide article Chris 01:09, 8 January 2006 (UTC)


 * A Scouting in California article (or any other state) should also include information on Girl Scouting, and possibly Scouting For All and other schizmatic groups (for lack of a better word). It doesn't seem unreasonable to combine them into state articles, but don't delete existing council articles in the process. Gentgeen 01:47, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Historical council information to be folded in
Historical council information to be folded in — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kintetsubuffalo (talk • contribs) 14:07, 15 September 2006


 * California Lindsay 1917 1918 Tulare County 56 1918
 * California Vacaville 1917 1918 Solano County 54 1918
 * California Crockett 1917 1919 ended 1919
 * California Redlands 1919 1921 California Inland Empire Council
 * California 54 Solano County Council 1922 1925 ended 1925
 * California 56 Tulare County 1922 1925 ended 1925
 * California 22 Alameda 1917 Alameda Council
 * California 38 Napa 1917 1922 changed name to Napa County 38 1922 Mount Diablo Silverado Council
 * California 34 Luther Burbank 1923 1927 merged into Napa County 38 1927 Mount Diablo Silverado Council
 * California 38 Napa County 1922 1928 changed name to Silverado Area 38 1928 Mount Diablo Silverado Council
 * California 23 Berkeley 1913 1932 merged into Contra Costa County 24 1932 Mount Diablo Silverado Council
 * California 24 Contra Costa County 1922 1932 changed name to Berkeley Contra Costa County 23 1932 Mount Diablo Silverado Council
 * California 23 Berkeley-Contra Costa County 1935 1951 changed name to Mount Diablo 23 1951 Mount Diablo Silverado Council
 * California 23 Mount Diablo 1951 1992 September 1 merged into Mount Diablo-Silverado 23 1992 September 1 Mount Diablo Silverado Council
 * California 38 Silverado Area 1928 1992 September 1 merged into Mount Diablo-Silverado 23 1992 September 1 Mount Diablo Silverado Council
 * California 23 Mount Diablo-Silverado 1992 September 1 Mount Diablo Silverado Council
 * California 27 Fresno 1919 1925 changed name to Sequoia 27 1925 Sequoia Council
 * California 54 Mount Whitney Area 1929 1992 July 1 merged into Sequoia 27 1992 July 1 Sequoia Council
 * California 27 Sequoia 1925 Sequoia Council
 * California 21 Oakland 1915 1921 changed name to Oakland Area 21 1921 San Francisco Bay Area Council
 * California 51 San Francisco 1916 1924 changed name to San Francisco Area 51 1924 San Francisco Bay Area Council
 * California 51 San Francisco Area 1924 1965 merged into San Francisco Bay Area 28 1965 San Francisco Bay Area Council
 * California 21 Oakland Area 1921 1965 merged into San Francisco Bay Area 28 1965 San Francisco Bay Area Council
 * California 28 San Francisco Bay Area 1965 San Francisco Bay Area Council
 * California 30 Bakersfield 1919 1921 changed name to Kern County 30 1921 Southern Sierra Council
 * California 30 Kern County 1922 1965 changed name to Southern Sierra 30 1965 Southern Sierra Council
 * California 30 Southern Sierra 1965 Southern Sierra Council
 * California 31 Stanford Area 1940 1994 January 1 merged into Pacific Skyline 31 1994 January 1 [[Pacific Skyline Council]
 * California 20 San Mateo County 1932 1994 January 1 merged into Pacific Skyline 31 1994 January 1 Pacific Skyline Council
 * California 31 Pacific Skyline 1994 January 1 Pacific Skyline Council
 * California 32 Long Beach 1919 1923 changed name to Long Beach District 32 1923 Long Beach Area Council
 * California 32 Long Beach District 1923 1944 changed name to Long Beach Area 32 1944  Long Beach Area Council
 * California 32 Long Beach Area 1944 Long Beach Area Council
 * California 708 Centinela 1925 1927 changed name to Los Angeles 33 1927  Los Angeles Area Council
 * California 33 Los Angeles 1915 1934 merged into Los Angeles Metropolitan Area 33 1934  Los Angeles Area Council
 * California 46 San Antonio District 1922 1934 merged into Los Angeles Metropolitan Area 33 1934  Los Angeles Area Council
 * California 67 South Pasadena 1927 1934 merged into Los Angeles Metropolitan Area 33 1934 Los Angeles Area Council
 * California 33 Los Angeles Metropolitan Area 1934 1945 changed name to Los Angeles Area 33 1945 Los Angeles Area Council
 * California 33 Los Angeles Area 1945 Los Angeles Area Council
 * California Mill Valley 1917 1918 merged into Marin County 35 1918 Marin Council
 * California Sausalito 1917 1918 merged into Marin County 35 1918 Marin Council
 * California 35 Marin County 1923 Marin Council
 * California 39 Orange County 1920 1944 changed name to Orange Empire Area 39 1944 Orange County Council
 * California 37 Northern Orange County 1944 1965 changed name to North Orange 37 1965 Orange County Council
 * California 37 North Orange 1965 1972 merged into Orange County 39 1972 Orange County Council
 * California 39 Orange Empire Area 1944 1972 merged into Orange County 39 1972 Orange County Council
 * California 39 Orange County 1972 Orange County Council
 * California 40 Pasadena 1919 1929 changed name to Pasadena-San Gabriel Valley 40 1929 San Gabriel Valley Council
 * California 40 Pasadena-San Gabriel Valley 1929 1951 changed name to San Gabriel Valley 40 1951 San Gabriel Valley Council
 * California 40 San Gabriel Valley 1951 San Gabriel Valley Council
 * California 41 Petaluma Section 1921 1944 changed name to Sonoma-Mendocino 41 1944 Redwood Empire Council
 * California 41 Sonoma-Mendocino Area 1944 1992 June 1 merged into Redwood Empire 41 1992 June 1 Redwood Empire Council
 * California 44 Redwood Area 1923 1992 June 1 merged into Redwood Empire 41 1992 June 1 Redwood Empire Council
 * California 41 Redwood Empire 1992 June 1 Redwood Empire Council
 * California 42 Piedmont 1921 Piedmont Council
 * California 43 Pomona 1917 1921 changed name to Old Baldy 43 1921 California Inland Empire Council
 * California 43 Old Baldy 1921 http://www.obcbsa.org California Inland Empire Council
 * California 45 Riverside 1919 1920 changed name to Riverside County 45 1920 California Inland Empire Council
 * California 48 San Bernardino Valley 1922 1923 changed name to San Bernardino District 48 1923 California Inland Empire Council
 * California 28 Hemet-San Jacinto Valley 1923 1927 merged into Riverside Area 45 1927 California Inland Empire Council
 * California 48 San Bernardino District 1923 1933 changed name to Arrowhead Area 48 1933 California Inland Empire Council
 * California 45 Riverside County 1920 1944 changed name to Riverside County and Redlands 45 1944 California Inland Empire Council
 * California 45 Riverside County and Redlands 1944 1945 changed name to Riverside County 45 1945 California Inland Empire Council
 * California 24 Redlands Area 1945 1952 changed name to Grayback 24 1952 California Inland Empire Council
 * California 45 Riverside County 1945 1972 merged into California Inland Empire 45 1972 California Inland Empire Council
 * California 48 Arrowhead Area 1933 1972 merged into California Inland Empire 45 1972 California Inland Empire Council
 * California 24 Grayback 1952 1974 merged into California Inland Empire 45 1974 California Inland Empire Council
 * California 45 California Inland Empire 1972 California Inland Empire Council
 * California 37 Mount Shasta Area 1923 1926 merged into Mount Lassen 36 1926 Golden Empire Council
 * California 46 Kit Carson 1924 1927 merged into Sacramento 47 1927 Golden Empire Council
 * California 47 Sacramento 1920 1933 changed name to Sacramento Area 47 1933 Golden Empire Council
 * California 47 Sacramento Area 1933 1937 changed name to Golden Empire 47 1937 Golden Empire Council
 * California 648 Tahoe Area 1924 1969 merged into Golden Empire 47 1969 Golden Empire Council
 * California 36 Mount Lassen Area 1924 1992 March 1 merged into Golden Empire 47 1992 March 1 Golden Empire Council
 * California 647 Buttes Area 1924 1992 September 1 merged into Golden Empire 47 1992 September 1 Golden Empire Council
 * California 47 Golden Empire 1937 Golden Empire Council
 * California Coronado 1916 1917 San Diego County 49 1917 San Diego-Imperial Council
 * California 49 San Diego 1916 1921 changed name to San Diego County 49 1921 San Diego-Imperial Council
 * California 29 Imperial County 1922 1929 changed name to Imperial-Yuma Area 29 1929 San Diego-Imperial Council
 * California 29 Imperial-Yuma Area 1929 1959 changed name to Desert Trails 29 1959 San Diego-Imperial Council
 * Arizona 29 Desert Trails 1959 1993 January 1 merged into Desert Pacific 49 1993 January 1 San Diego-Imperial Council
 * California 49 San Diego County 1921 1993 January 1 merged into Desert Pacific 49 1993 January 1 San Diego-Imperial Council
 * California 49 Desert Pacific 1993 January 1 San Diego-Imperial Council
 * California 50 San Fernando Valley 1923 1972 merged into Great Western 51 1972 Western Los Angeles County Council
 * California 26 Crescent Bay Area 1922 1972 merged into Great Western 51 1972 Western Los Angeles County Council
 * California 51 Great Western 1972 1985 changed name to Western Los Angeles County 51 1985 Western Los Angeles County Council
 * California 51 Western Los Angeles County 1985 Western Los Angeles County Council
 * California Santa Barbara 1917 1918 Los Padres Council
 * California 25 Central Coast Counties 1922 1924 merged into Santa Barbara 53 1924 Los Padres Council
 * California 53 Santa Barbara 1919 1929 changed name to Mission 53 1929 Los Padres Council
 * California 56 San Luis Obispo County 1933 1939 changed name to Santa Lucia Area 56 1939 Los Padres Council
 * California 53 Mission 1929 1994 January 1 merged into Los Padres 53 1994 January 1 Los Padres Council
 * California 56 Santa Lucia Area 1939 1994January 1 merged into Los Padres 53 1994January 1 Los Padres Council
 * California 53 Los Padres 1994 January 1 Los Padres Council
 * California 25 Monterey Bay Area 1933
 * California 31 Santa Cruz County 1922 changed name to Loma Prieta District 31 1922
 * California 55 San Jose 1920 1922 changed name to Santa Clara County 55 1922
 * California 55 Santa Clara County 1922 1924 changed name to Santa Clara and San Benito Counties 55 1924
 * California 31 Loma Prieta District 1922 1926 changed name to Monterey Bay 31 1926
 * California 31 Monterey Bay 1926 1927 merged into Santa Clara and San Benito Counties 55 1927
 * California 55 Santa Clara and San Benito Counties 1924 1928 changed name to Santa Clara, San Benito and Monterey Bay 55 1928
 * California 55 Santa Clara, San Benito and Monterey Bay 1928 1929 changed name to Santa Clara County 55 1929
 * California 55 Santa Clara County 1929
 * California 57 Ventura County 1921 Ventura County Council
 * California 58 Glendale 1920 1922 changed name to Verdugo Hills 58 1922 Verdugo Hills Council
 * California 58 Verdugo Hills 1922 Verdugo Hills Council
 * California 59 Modesto 1920 1921 changed name to Stanislaus County 59 1921 Greater Yosemite Council
 * California 52 Stockton 1918 1922 changed name to San Joaquin 52 1922 Greater Yosemite Council
 * California 59 Stanislaus County 1921 1922 changed name to Yosemite Area 59 1922 Greater Yosemite Council
 * California 52 San Joaquin and Calaveras Counties 1925 1929 changed name to San Joaquin-Calaveras 52 1929 Greater Yosemite Council
 * California 52 San Joaquin-Calaveras 1929 1957 changed name to Forty-Niner 52 1957 Greater Yosemite Council
 * California 52 Forty Niner 1957 1997 September 1 merged into Yosemite Area 59 1997 September 1 Greater Yosemite Council
 * California 59 Yosemite Area 1922 1998 January 1 changed name to Greater Yosemite 59 1998 January 1 Greater Yosemite Council
 * California 59 Greater Yosemite 1998 January 1 Greater Yosemite Council

Obliteration of Scouting articles related to California
Earlier this year, there was a mass killing of articles about Boy Scout councils and Boy Scout camps. Many of the articles were of poor quality, but the real reason that the articles failed to be saved was lack of a coordinated defense on the part of the Scouting WikiProject. In response to that, there was a move by one user to merge as many Scouting related articles as possible into ‘state’ articles like Scouting in California rather than a push to expand the smaller articles that existed.

In term of California, these articles no longer exist.


 * 1) Camp Bothin
 * 2) Camp Cherry Valley
 * 3) Camp Emerald Bay
 * 4) Camp Hi-Sierra
 * 5) Camp Josepho
 * 6) Camp Stuart
 * 7) Camp Wolfeboro
 * 8) Chesebrough Scout Reservation
 * 9) Pico Blanco Scout Reservation
 * 10) San Diego-Imperial Council
 * 11) San Gabriel Valley Council
 * 12) Western Los Angeles County Council
 * 13) Camp Oljato

I’m pointing this out to you, because WikiProject Pennsylvania has made a concerted effort to save our articles, which is why ours are most of the few that still exist. --evrik (talk) 16:31, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Camp Stuart merge

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I oppose the merger of Camp Stuart into this article. If it should be merged anywhere, it should be into the Santa Clara County Council article. Gentgeen 03:22, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * It was merged anyway. --evrik (talk)

Camp Oljato

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 * Merge Camp Oljato to here. Rlevse 14:28, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge Camp Oljato to here. Sumoeagle179 17:05, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge Camp Oljato to here. &mdash;ScouterSig 02:24, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose Strengethen the article. Give it time to grow. --evrik (talk) 02:24, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge If the entry here grows to where it can stand on its own, then it can be moved back. The article is quite crufty as it is. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 11:13, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Wente Scout Reservation

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This needs renamed if not also moved into Scouting in California. None of the other BSA camps have BSA in the article name. To follow convention, it should just be "Campe Wente". It's not a BSA camp anyway, it's owned by a council. Rlevse 17:37, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose Let's copyedit it and fix it up so it has a chance to grow. --evrik (talk) 01:56, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge per standard. &mdash;ScouterSig 21:59, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose for same reasons per Log Cabin Wilderness Camp. Anlace 19:25, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment looks like the consensus here is to keep. --evrik (talk) 22:29, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Merging for the time being. --evrik (talk) 15:20, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Links to Scout Council web sites
Many of the links within the various articles to the individual Scout Councils official web sites are poorly formatted, positioned in different locations, lacking adequate spacing around them, and it is not always clear what the link actually points to. what do you think about populating each council entry with a sub-head Official Site and then add a link to the "official council web site"?

--btphelps (talk) 15:55, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


 * standardized the placement of council links as a separate paragraph after the council intro, if any. I've left them saying the name of the council rather than changing to 'official site' so far.Cander0000 (talk) 03:57, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Girl Scouts
I've added a map, however, I have a few problems
 * Girl Scouts of Oregon and SW Washington and Sahuaro Girl Scout Council though listed in the national web site as serving part of California don't actually seem to serve any of California. At least I couldn't find what bits they did serve
 * Two councils claim to serve Solano and Glenn counties and the one with a map showed them serving the whole of those two counties.
 * I had to hand draw a few council boundaries and I'm not sure of my accuracy. The Sierra Nevada council's own map on their web site was a bit rough. --Erp (talk) 21:29, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


 * There have been quite a few recent council merges, so I expect that a lot of maps are out of date. Might want to wait a bit and let this shake out. --—— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk  -  21:53, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Most of this info is from new council web sites (California had some fairly major reorgs which are now suppose to be done) and I think the map is fairly accurate. I think Oregon/SW Washington and Sahuaro no longer serve California (except possibly some small enclaves). There are some oddities out there.  I loved Spirit of Nebraska which serves most of Nebraska and one Iowa community, population a bit over 3,000. --Erp (talk) 22:21, 26 January 2009 (UTC)