Talk:Scouting on the Isle of Man

Groups
Shouldn't "Scout Groups" be deleted in favor of the "Island Contact Directory", as the information is tabled rather than just a straight list, which Wikipedia disdains? Chris 19:07, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup
This article really does need a cleanup. It needs some real content, not just lists. What about history, the relationship to UK Scouting, leader training, camp sites and so on? There are clearly people editing the lists. Please add more material other than the lists. --Bduke 20:43, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, you have done a great job with the neckerchief images, but this article still needs a cleanup. It needs in particular, a longer first paragraph, putting Scouting in the Island in perspective - history, relationship to UK Scouting etc. It also needs something about camp sites used and in particular those used for Wood Badge training. I would also suggest removing the redlinks to various Commissioners. I doubt they are all notable enough for a WP article. They are best added if and when an article is written. I'm not being negatively critical. This article is better than most of the County articles, including the ones I started usually to save a liitle bit from an article on a Group which was going to get deleted. I wish they all had someone locally working on them. --Bduke 21:47, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

OK, lets take off the clean-up tag. --Bduke 23:15, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Why do the scouting authorities want this page deleted?
Why? I do not consider this acceptable. If the Scouting authorities object to some detail, then that point should be addressed. It should not be deleted. They do not dictate what goes on to Wikipedia. Note that we are slowly developing articles on "Scouting in X" where "X" is a Scout County or Area in the UK. It should be restored but perhaps made much smaller and just summarise things in a NPOV way, if that is their issue. Please explain what their problem is. --Bduke 23:05, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Re: Why do the scouting authorities want this page deleted?
Most of the content on this article was taken from other copyrighted sources, this alone contravenes Wikipedia rules. They also listed the Full names of people who did not wish to have such information made publically available. --Gadget 22:21, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

OK. That is fine but it is not a reason for deleting all content on the page. Note also that you can get material from copyrighted sources provided you do not just copy it. You have to put the material in your own words. Have a look at the UK County articles that are linked from the template. Thew do not have the list of people that the Isle of Man article had. The recent Scouting in Royal Berkshire, one I have had nothing to do with, is a good example. It is OK to list Groups and certainly Districts if the Isle of Man has Districts like UK Counties (I do not recall). So what about this:-


 * Leave the first 2 paragraphs you had before.
 * Remove the whole "Officials and Commissioners" section.
 * Remove all names from the "Island Contact Directory" section just leaving the Group names and the neckerchiefs (a great idea that no other UK Scout page has).
 * Retain the external links.
 * Remove the stuff about Scouting in the I of M not wanting the page. That is really bad publicity for Scouting on WP.

Think about it and have a go, or do you want me to have a go and see what you think? --Bduke 22:43, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes I agree with you Bduke. I used to live on the Island and this is particularly petty. They have no ownership rights on this page. Unfortunately I'm now in Ireland (despite the username) but if we could get a decent explanation from an Island source or even better somebody actually involved in the scouts there. Manxy3 16:59, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I noticed you worked on the article earlier. I think Gadget is from the IOM and he did give some explanation. I'm going to leave it until next week and then I'll have a go myself at editing it. I'm having a long weekend away. I think I would do what I suggest above but not restore any of the contacy directory. --Bduke 22:17, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

They can't stop people from editing a page at all--I saw that in the article history. They can remove copyvio material and private contact info, but not stop users from editing. Rlevse

I am from the Isle of Man. I am also involved in Scouting as a local ESL. I will put forward the suggestions that have been made in this discussion. --Gadget 01:04, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

The changes made recently by Manxy3 seem fine. I can not see that anyone should object. --Bduke 22:49, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

New info
I've added lots of new material, hope it's okay by people. Let me know on my talk page of any objections... Stevecull 13:53, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Merge of 1st Malew here
I have added merge tags suggesting that the article on this Group be moved here. It does assert some kind of notability as the oldest Scout Group on the I of M but that needs a citation. It is only a stub. Unless it can be expanded I propose we just add information about it being the oldest on the main Scouting in the I of M article and redirect here. If it is to stay, it needs renaming to 1st Malew Scout Group as the current title is unclear. Note that it is the general consensus on WP, with support from the WikiProject Scouting that individual Scout Troops/Groups are not notable in almost all cases and should be merged into a broader article. Oldest in the UK might cut it, but I doubt that oldest in the I of Man does. Please discuss the merge here.
 * Support merge as above. --Bduke 22:14, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't know much about Malew Scouts, but some of the information seems dubious - their "special necker scarf" is plain red. Scouting started on the island in 1909, and air scouts didn't start intill the 1940s, so it seems unlikely that Malew can be both 'the first group' on the island and originally air scouts...

Someone more knowledgable needs to take a look at the details. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.23.171.130 (talk) 13:35, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Portal:Isle of Man
Could an interested editor please take a look at this portal and touch it up? Thanks.  &gt; R a d i a n t &lt;  08:30, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

History
I moved the section about 1st Malew in groups to a new history section. However more history content is needed so get to work. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.218.30.79 (talk) 14:33, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

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Recent edits
I have made a couple of relatively small, but significant changes. First, I have altered the lead to say that this article is about all forms of Scouting, even though perhaps the Scout Association is the only example now. If alternatives, such as the Baden-Powell Scout Association starts in the Isle of Man, it can be mentioned. Second, I have removed the list of Groups. These are unmaintainable. Both of these are in line with changes that are being made on articles about Scouting in the UK. The areas in Wales have been merged into a single article. The Counties of the Scout Association in England are being merged in articles on all forms of Scouting in the official government regions. These changes are under way, as they take a lot of effort. The changes here reflect those chnages. Please look at the discussion at Talk:Scouting in England and the links there to at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Scouting. --Bduke (talk) 10:55, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

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