Talk:Screaming Lord Sutch

Died in June
Didn't he die on 16 June, not 16 April? (I did change it to 16 June, but someone changed it back without explanation.) --Zundark, 2001 Oct 30

Name
If someone got a local court to change their name legally to God, or King Frederick of Prussia, would Wikipedia be bound in some way to change our article title about them, to reflect their name change? I think not.

The only reason to use, say, an actor's stage name instead of their birth name or other common name, is if readers would be hopeless lost otherwise. We use "John Wayne" for the American film star, because nobody ever heard of Marion Morrison - the link is red here, because we never even made a redirect out of it (the redirect is from "Marion Robert Morrison", his birth name).

So i suggest moving Screaming Lord Sutch to David Edward Sutch. Uncle Ed July 9, 2005 14:16 (UTC)

According to another wikipedia article,


 * The Loonies generally field as many candidates as possible in United Kingdom general elections, some (but by no means all) standing under ridiculous false names they have adopted via deed poll. Sutch himself stood against all three main party leaders (John Major, Neil Kinnock and Paddy Ashdown) in the 1992 General Election. (emphasis added for discussion)

I think this is an example of "disrupting X to make a point", where X is British society.

Should Wikipedia aid this attempt at disruption, or merely report on it? I choose the latter. Uncle Ed July 9, 2005 14:27 (UTC)


 * Hmmm ... interesting question.


 * Have we left enough time for discussion here?


 * See, for comparison, see Lord Buckley -- a bebop-era American satirist. BrandonYusufToropov 9 July 2005 14:53 (UTC)

I've moved this back to Screaming Lord Sutch, as that was the name he was most commonly known as. Whether or what he changed his name to by deed poll, I don't care - common usage is most important. David Edward Sutch is about the worst possible location for this article. sjorford (?!) 14:10, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

My two cents: if Sutch had legally changed his name to 'God' or 'King Frederick of Prussia', and was then popularly known by that name for decades, we would put him under 'God (British musician and politician)' or 'King Frederick of Prussia (British musician and politician)'. But there is no need to put the explanatory note after "Screaming Lord Sutch", because AFAIK thereis no other notable Screaming Lord Sutch.DanielCristofani 06:39, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Politician?
Hmmm Is it proper to describe David as a 'polititian'? He never actually won an election and therefore never served in any formal political capacity. Would not a more correct description of his activites be 'frequent parliamentary candidate'. The Monster Raving Loony Party were not a political organisation in the normally accepted sense, it was more a collection of individuals who very much did their own thing, decided their own agendas, and operated without central party control if they were elected. 21stCenturyGreenstuff (talk) 16:30, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Ten years on, with no-one replying, I certainly agree with you, and have altered the lede accordingly. Valetude (talk) 12:07, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Memoirs
So his memoirs were recalled by the publisher. Any special reason? I think it would be relevant. 86.144.199.247 (talk) 18:38, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Death
Seems to be wrong way about. You seem to be saying: ‘He suffered from depression, following the death of his mother in 1997, and committed suicide by hanging on 16 June 1999.’ But even then, there is no report about his relationship with his mother, to indicate why it might have provoked suicide. Valetude (talk) 23:50, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Agree and have revised the "Personal life" section to clearly separate the two events. Firstly, she had died more than two years earlier, and the statement seemingly linked for cause-and-effect has no source. Also I reworded around the use of "suffered" from depression. Thank you for your concern.  Fylbecatulous talk 18:10, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Records
Did he ever have any chart success ? -- Beardo (talk) 16:52, 22 April 2017 (UTC)